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    General ADSL discussion

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      Ah found it

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      re: General ADSL discussion

      AGAIN people make the mistake of judging it only from very local servers.

      Compare it to abroad.

      Lets say me and you were in a game server thats based in California.

      Go on, do a speedtest on a server is CA and i will do it to the same.

      We will see the difference in ping and it would be quite high, in gaming terms.
      I added 2 ping test results before.

      Maidenhead - 64ms ~100 miles
      Barcelona - 59ms ~ 850 miles

      Where is your logic understandable in that scenario?

      Here's another one from CA - Having had to look at a map of USA to find out where it was.



      Another one a few minutes after



      One from another server in CA - San Jose



      As for playing anyone in the states, then I would totally agree, the ping issue, they would have the advantage if the gameserver was also located in the states. Therefore I would not even think about joining a server based in the States.
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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by NewsreadeR View Post
      You are missing my point. At the time I took that test, my ping to Maidenhead was a MASSIVE 64ms - But my ping to another server also in Maidenhead was a LOWER 22ms - Can you see what I am saying?


      I only see one server thats called "Maidenhead".

      So i dont see you're point.

      It would help if you post DIRECT LINK's from speedtest.



      2 Different servers, both in the same building, 2 different ping results. I would prefer the honesty of the ventrilo server tbh and not the reliability of the speedtest one.

      I always find speedtest to be reliable and comprable.

      If you get 64ms and you are closer, how do i get 14 when im further away?

      Simple, my connection which is cable is superior to ADSL.


      To prove my point, here is another ping test to Speedtest.net - The distance from my house to their server hasn't shortened in the last couple of hours.



      Speedtest is not reliable. There are too many considerations to factor into the equation.

      No, depends what you are doing in the background.

      You're PC may have viruses/spyware.

      You may use background downloading software.

      You may have other's on the network.

      You're exchange may be over subscribed so at some times you experince problems.

      More on you're end than before.


      Also can you post the direct link of the 64ms speedtest you did?




      Rubbish it proves nothing apart from the speedtest is not accurate in any way shape or form in my scenario. How can a test be 64ms and then shortly after it is 24ms - It's called traffic on the internet, amount of people using the internet etc etc


      My connection is stable, i always get the same ping on the speedtest servers.

      Your problem.



      Most games have built in network control, QOS etc and so just because you have 10ms better ping than me does not mean you would have the advantage. Granted if you had 100ms better than me I would agree.


      The point is with a high latency connection like ADSL it would in real time be greater.

      Like i asked do a test to New Zealand / Calfornia and you will see.




      As a rule, how much do you pay for your internet access?

      28 pound.

      It actually works out cheaper than most ISP's per Mb you get.


      You would definitely have an advantage, as I play none of thse games.


      Shame, they are the best of the best, especially Gears of War.



      Again our opinions differ, having never had cable, I cannot compare. What I have had has been more than reliable, and definitely workable.

      My point was you say ADSL is bad for gamers, I say different. We would never agree, as you want to tell me that your connection is far superior to mine. You won't accept the proof put in front of you, that ADSL is just as good, if not only for the reason it is cheaper.

      I will just say i respect your opnion.

      I would also suggest if you can get cable, to do so and compare.

      You always have the ability to cancel if you're not happy.


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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by NewsreadeR View Post
      I added 2 ping test results before.

      Maidenhead - 64ms ~100 miles
      Barcelona - 59ms ~ 850 miles

      Where is your logic understandable in that scenario?


      My rule is never cross compare servers.

      I have said it many times in this thread,

      When comparing ping from speedtest, always use the same server.

      That way you can look at ping and distance for that user.




      Here's another one from CA - Having had to look at a map of USA to find out where it was.



      Another one a few minutes after



      One from another server in CA - San Jose



      As for playing anyone in the states, then I would totally agree, the ping issue, they would have the advantage if the gameserver was also located in the states. Therefore I would not even think about joining a server based in the States.


      The point is in certain games you dont have a choice of what server to join (console games).

      So when you get put in this situation, someone like me with a cable connection with much lower ping than you will have a much smoother experince.

      Understand?


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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by NewsreadeR View Post
      Therefore I would not even think about joining a server based in the States.
      Absolutely, but from earlier comments about bars pertaining to connection quality, I guess he/she plays on consoles.
      Not wanting to start a further debate about which platform is best but if i'm not mistaken the pc version of BFBC2 for example allows you to select which region of servers you wish to connect to for this very reason.


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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Has all 39 posts from this guy on Sky's Broadband forum been about ping and how great his Cable is?

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      re: General ADSL discussion

      I only see one server thats called "Maidenhead".

      So i dont see you're point.

      It would help if you post DIRECT LINK's from speedtest.
      Unfortnately I didn't save the image code, but I did post them in a previous post that you replied to
      here.


      Some recent results.

      Manchester

      Ping 34ms <50 miles

      Maidenhead

      Ping 64ms ~ 100 miles

      Barcelona

      Ping 59ms ~ 850 miles

      Also to prove another point we have a Ventrilo server, in fact it is probably in the same datacentre as the above Maidenhead result.

      Ventrilo Server - Maidenhead

      Ping 22ms ~100 miles
      I always find speedtest to be reliable and comprable.

      If you get 64ms and you are closer, how do i get 14 when im further away?

      Simple, my connection which is cable is superior to ADSL.
      I don't - Never have done.

      I actually get 22 on the Ventrilo server, and 24 if I try at a different time on SpeedTest. So you do not have that great an advantage, certainly not one that would give you, oneupmanship on me in any games that we may play against each other. These are milliseconds not seconds remember.

      If I conceeded to your cable is superior, would you be happy?

      I wouldn't be happy paying 4 times more for an approx ms advantage of 8

      No, depends what you are doing in the background.

      You're PC may have viruses/spyware.

      You may use background downloading software.

      You may have other's on the network.

      You're exchange may be over subscribed so at some times you experince problems.

      More on you're end than before.
      Highly unlikely.

      My connection is stable, i always get the same ping on the speedtest servers.

      Your problem.
      Again you are missing the point, there is no problem on my connection, only if I do a test to Speedtest.net - I am in no way concerned at all.

      Shame, they are the best of the best, especially Gears of War.
      I only play BFBC2 - If you ever play that online, I will show you who is the better player and who has the ping advantage though. Just don't go crying to anyone when I kick yer butt and show you ADSL is better than Cable.

      You always have the ability to cancel if you're not happy.
      I wouldn't even think of going to Cable. Why would I want to pay 28 a month for something I already get at 7.50 a month?

      OK Yes I would have a faster connection, a slighlty higher upload, and a very slighlty better ping. None of which I am particularly bothered about tbh if the truth be known.
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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by DarrylWilliams87 View Post
      Has all 39 posts from this guy on Sky's Broadband forum been about ping and how great his Cable is?
      To be fair, I put the post's into this forum from another thread

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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by BroadBandKiiNG View Post
      The point is in certain games you dont have a choice of what server to join (console games).

      So when you get put in this situation, someone like me with a cable connection with much lower ping than you will have a much smoother experince.

      Understand?
      Yes I understand but your logic is flawed. It's like comparing apples to oranges when you are saying consoles and PC's

      You should try playing on a PC the game is far much better. And the ping is practically irrelevant unless you choose to play against someone in the USA - But PC gamers know that would be a bad move anyway.

      I don't know too much about console gaming, but I would assume that PS3 or XBox really need to make it better in that you can play regionally rather than globally.

      If you are happy with your connection then so be it, but very few people actually boast how good it is, more how bad it is. I was just counteracting your claim that Cable is far superior to ADSL for gaming, which in my opinion, is just not true.

      And so we will have to agree to disagree from this point onwards.
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      re: General ADSL discussion

      Quote Originally Posted by NewsreadeR View Post
      Unfortnately I didn't save the image code, but I did post them in a previous post that you replied to
      here.


      Go to speedtest and at the top there is a "my results" section.

      Copy and paste the direct link.







      I don't - Never have done.

      I actually get 22 on the Ventrilo server, and 24 if I try at a different time on SpeedTest. So you do not have that great an advantage, certainly not one that would give you, oneupmanship on me in any games that we may play against each other. These are milliseconds not seconds remember.


      I have no idea how you have multiple servers for maidenhead. I only see one.


      Also again, i am not taking about a few milisecounds, im talking about over bigger distances.

      Like i said post results from New Zealand and you will see.



      If I conceeded to your cable is superior, would you be happy?

      Nah, i dont have anything agaisnt you or anything.

      It's just when other users blatenly claim ADSL to be better than cable.





      I wouldn't be happy paying 4 times more for an approx ms advantage of 8


      Thats where youre wrong.

      Be* Broadband max packagae = 22 for upto 24 Mb.

      Thats 92p per Mb.

      Average users only get around 10 Mb.


      Virgin Media 50 Mb @ 28 = 56p per Mb.

      Average users get 45 - 48 Mb.

      Whats cheaper?




      Highly unlikely.




      Again you are missing the point, there is no problem on my connection, only if I do a test to Speedtest.net - I am in no way concerned at all.


      Thats fine, if you dont see a problem then its ok but i would always want the best and if you can get cable, give it a go risk free.



      I only play BFBC2 - If you ever play that online, I will show you who is the better player and who has the ping advantage though. Just don't go crying to anyone when I kick yer butt and show you ADSL is better than Cable.


      I like you're fighting spirit but unfortunately i do not play it. Although i have one super computer costing thousands, i dont actually game on it right now.

      You ever considered a console?

      You would understand why they call the addictive game Gears Of War, Connection Of War online

      My connection would always give me the upper hand in that game.


      If you do want to check it out, these two videos sum up one the best games of all time:

      http://www.gametrailers.com/video/re...s-of-war/14788

      http://www.gametrailers.com/video/re...s-of-war/42155

      And this is what online is like:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXHNK6vA8Ck

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMHT_5lJ6I





      I wouldn't even think of going to Cable. Why would I want to pay 28 a month for something I already get at 7.50 a month?


      As explained above.

      OK Yes I would have a faster connection, a slighlty higher upload, and a very slighlty better ping. None of which I am particularly bothered about tbh if the truth be known.

      You would have a much faster download, in the future, a much faster upload.

      Over distance a much lower latency connection.

      And like i said, if its good for you then fine.

      But this issue to do more with Sky Broadband and latency, not Be* who would be my second choice for broadband anyway.



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