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    Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

    This is a discussion on Gray's sacking: an absolute joke within the Sky Sports forums, part of the Sky TV Channels category; Originally Posted by Steve666 ...... That's just what men do. ..... Yes, and there lies the heart of the problem. ...

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      Quote Originally Posted by Steve666 View Post
      ...... That's just what men do. .....
      Yes, and there lies the heart of the problem.

      If we accept that it's 'what men do' then it gets passed on to the next generation and it becomes 'just what kids do' or it's 'just a bit of fun' or 'only a laugh', where do we stop it?

      If that sort of comment is heard at my place of work then the person gets sacked - no appeal, it's in the contract that we all sign for our protection to ensure that the comments don't get out of hand and escalate to something bigger. Creating a workplace where everyone can work together whatever their gender, sexual orientation, colour, religion or any other pigeon hole that we slot ourselves and others in.

      We all really need to get our act together and strart treating each other with respect, name calling and jokes are hurtful and when someone in the public eye is caught doing what these foolish men did then their employer has no alternative, Sky did the right thing!

      To answer your question - yes, you should report people who make sexist comments about you.


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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      Well, I think you're nuts. Let's ban Loose Women then. Agreed? It's insulting to men, right? No, I won't report them, that's ridiculous. I admit that Gray crossed a line when he said "will you tuck that in?" but you need to ask yourself why all these incidents have been saved up to all be released at the same time. When someone crosses a line like that, it just needs someone to take you to one side and just say "you really annoyed person x with those comments, save it for at home". Not all this rubbish.

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      So, basically, you're saying that if I worked where you work, and I said something like "make us a cup of tea, love", even if everyone there knew I didn't drink tea, I would get sacked. Is that right?

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      I don't suppose that his sacking has got anything to do with him taking on News Corp over phone hacking?

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      I just had to weigh in on this.

      This hilarious news article has been doing the rounds at work- sums it up better than I could.

      News: Satan fires Gray over offensive behaviour - Somethingson

      Very funny, but might ruffle a few feathers among Sky-lovers though!

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      Dflour: I think it has quite a bit to do with that. That and Sky Sports trying to prove they're not sexist, though their recruitment policies would suggest that the company is very sexist indeed. Plus pretty much everyone he worked with hated him. Three birds with one stone. "Got rid of the bloke we don't like, who happens to be the guy who was causing grief with our future owners, and WE ARE NOT SEXIST! SEE?" Definitely a stitch-up. I don't think anyone truly believes that it wasn't. It's obvious. It's funny to see The Sun vilifying Gray on the front cover, then you turn the page and what's there? Oh yeah, Page 3. What a joke. The Daily Mail, the most racist paper in the country, vilifying Gray for being a sexist pig. Good stuff. Karren Brady disgusted by Gray and Keys because they're sexist, and also because they were laughing about her complaining about sexism before... even though her (totally non-sexist) friend and business partner is a bloody porn baron! I mean, seriously, that is laughable.

      What worries me most about this are these comments saying that it's basically OK to try to ruin someone's life because they made a joke that was in poor taste. Of course, I'm not saying Gray's life has been ruined, far from it, he'll probably even make money out of this when he sues Sky Sports for unfair dismissal, and good luck to him. The point is, previous comments have suggested that it is reasonable to try to get someone fired over a joke that's in poor taste, the word 'disproportionate' springs to mind. I'd like to think that someone would have the sense to have a quiet word with me, if I was to say something out of order like that. Would that not be more appropriate? Getting someone fired is a very cruel thing to do, you can't go around trying to ruin lives and destroy families over jokes, that's just wrong, not to mention pathetic. I tried to get a guy fired once, that was because he was getting paid more than twice as much as me but wouldn't help to do any work for months ("f*** off, not doing it" he would say, and we were understaffed as it was), and I still feel a little bit guilty about it, even though I later learnt that he was going to be let go anyway, as the bosses had already figured out that I was doing all the work. No way could I get someone fired over a joke, it's nothing. There's no excuse for that, that's just nasty, I don't care how big a promotion you get out of it, it's still bang out of order whichever way you try to slice it, and shame on anyone who thinks it isn't.

      Skylight: Can't view it now. Will take a look during my next break.
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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      I can see more and more examples hitting the headlines over the coming days/weeks or Grey and Keys in action and therefore Sky (obviously knowing what is coming) have sacked him now rather than slap him on the wrists and then more scandal hits. A large company like Sky have to treat all employees the same. If Andy Grey got away with it (not that i personally think this was really bad) that leaves the door open for stuff like this to go on in offices around the country. And could you imagine Sky sacking say a call centre worker for something similar but "high profile" Andy Grey got away with it, there would be law suit after law suit!!

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      Quote Originally Posted by Steve666 View Post
      So, basically, you're saying that if I worked where you work, and I said something like "make us a cup of tea, love", even if everyone there knew I didn't drink tea, I would get sacked. Is that right?
      That depends - if you said it to one of the male employees you might get a different reaction. But you wouldn't dream of referring to a man it that way so it is a sexist comment no matter how you mean it to sound.

      By the way, I'm not nuts but I'm not going to turn this into a 'calling each other names' thread.

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      What was said and the way it was said does not in my eyes show sexual harrasment or discrimination, it was a stupid comment to make but nothing that many people male and female would think or say to their friends.

      The problem here is more down to some peoples lack of tollerance and to always look for the worst case senario and jump on the bandwagon.

      I don't even think the female Sky reported reported it and if it didn't bother her then why others would take offence is beyond me.

      If you really want a world where people cannot have a bit of a laugh and a joke because they are worried that someone somewhere may take offence then I certainly don't want to be in it with you.

      Good luck in your utopia, I suspect you would need it!!!

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      Re: Gray's sacking: an absolute joke

      i say he deserved it his comments were out of line against the women linesmen and richard keys well he wasnt much better though he did appologise but gray didnt so it shows what a coward he is. end of the day football isnt just a mans sport its for women to

     

     
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