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    Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

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      Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      See; Media registration promo | Media | MediaGuardian.co.uk

      Sky Movies are due to be reshuffled into genres instead of the current,
      SkyMovies 1, SkyMovies 2 etc!

      As rumored on DS the lineup will be something like;

      Sky Movies Comedy
      Sky Movies Family
      Sky Movies Classics
      Sky Movies Modern Greats

      Sky Movies Action & Thriller
      Sky Movies Sci-Fi & Horror
      Sky Movies Independent
      Sky Movies Drama

      Sky Movies Premieres

      **

      Sky are also expected to, Rethink the current subscription mixes so you can pick a particular genre of movie rather then the whole lot!
      Pretty good news if you never ever watch Sky Classics or Modern Greats?

      However does anyone feel a price rise coming on again!
      Last edited by Keiran2K8; 15-02-07 at 11:32 AM.


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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Quote Originally Posted by FibreOptic View Post
      However does anyone fell a price rise coming on again!
      Sky Movies Action & Thriller
      Sky Movies Sci-Fi & Horror

      Will probably be twice the price of most of the others...

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      I'm not really in favour of them re-branding the movie channels as I prefer things as they are but if this leads to more options as to which movie channels you subscibe to then it can only be a good thing in the long term.

      As for the price rise, I would be surprised if they don't use this as an excuse to hike the prices although with increased competition from Virgin I can't see them going up to much, and the can't hike mine up before July anyway as that is when more one year 25% discount period finishes.

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that the new
      Sky Movies reorganisation means that we have to pay the
      same price but get fewer Sky Movie channels.
      Think about it:
      Old system: channels 301-314 = 14 Sky Movie channels
      New system: channels 301-312 = 12 Sky Movie channels
      (and channels 301 and 302 are the same) so 11 Sky Movie
      channels.
      In my book, that is already a price rise.
      Also, some of the new Sky Movie Channel names are meaningless, e.g. "Drama", "Modern Greats" and many
      films can be in more than one category. I am certainly not
      fooled by the new packaging. Sky claim that these changes were made due to popular demand. I certainly don't remember asking for less movies for the same price!

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Um, less movies? If you mean fewer - there are still 450 different movies each week. The number of movies hasn't changed, the number of channels and repeats has. Pin protection means we'll be getting better movies during the day (fewer "dog of the day" and "disease of the week" movies) and genre channels means I'll be able to find the movies I like (Premieres, sci-fi, indie) and ignore the ones I don't (comedy, action). This is all about navigation. It's the same reason that websites evolve and change their look and how they work. It's simple really - if you love movies you'll have sky movies (especially now film4 is ****e). If you're not that bothered about movies, you probably won't. The price hasn't changed, just the navigation.
      Last edited by fredwestie; 04-04-07 at 10:10 AM. Reason: spelling mistake

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      301 Sky Movies Premiere 16.00 to 02.00 (10 hours)
      302 Sky Movies Premiere+1 17.00 to 03.00 (10 hours)
      303 Sky Movies Comedy (24 hours)
      304 Sky Movies Action/Thriller (24 hours)
      305 Sky Movies Family (24 hours)
      306 Sky Movies Drama (24 hours)
      307 Sky Movies Sci-Fi/Horror 16.00 to 04.00 (12 hours)
      308 Sky Movies Classics (24 hours)
      309 Sky Movies Modern Greats (24 hours)
      310 Sky Movies Indie 16.00 to 04.00 (12 hours)
      311 Sky Movies HD1 11.00 to 03.00 (16 hours)
      312 Sky Movies HD2 11.00 to 03.00 (16 hours)

      How can this be better than the current set-up?


      * Sky Premiere +1 is just a time-shift channel.

      *If you don't have an HD box you won't get the HD channels (obviously) Previously the HD movie channels were in addition to the other 12.

      * Only 6 of the 12 channels are broadcasting 24 hours a day. I take the point that the same number of titles will be still be shown each month, but with fewer chances to watch them. If you want to watch a movie at say 2pm and you don't have an HD box, you'll have a choice of 6 movie channels instead of 12.

      * If you currently subscribe to only 1/2 the movies (SM1 or SM2), you won't get the premiere channels - these are now "bonus" channels. You'll get 4 channels instead of 5 (unless you've got an HD box and pay the 10 HD subscription) and you'll need to wait at least 4-5 weeks to see the movies shown on the premiere channel


      * Bonus channels Sky Cinema 1 & 2 are gone, but the movies they showed will be used to pad out the other channels. If you never watched the Cinema channels you've effectively lost a further 2 channels.



      Despite having more subscribers, AND increasing prices, Sky have cut the amount of money spent on movies.

      Incidentally, any one still in their 12 month contract with Sky and looking to get out of it can now cancel under 11(a) part iii of their contract due to this "re-branding" (removal of premium and / or bonus channels)

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Quote Originally Posted by FibreOptic View Post

      Sky are also expected to, Rethink the current subscription mixes so you can pick a particular genre of movie rather then the whole lot!
      Pretty good news if you never ever watch Sky Classics or Modern Greats?
      Sadly there's no real change planned to the subscription mixes. You can either have:

      Comedy, Family, SciFi & Horror, Modern Greats, Movies HD1
      (This is the old SM1 pack)

      OR


      Action/Thriller, Drama, Classics, Indie, Movies HD 2
      (This is the old SM2 pack)

      If you subscribe to both packs, you'll get the Premiere channel and the time shifted Premiere+1 as bonuses.

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Sky spends approx 300million on movies each year. This hasn't changed. There are still 450 different movies on the service each week. This hasn't changed. What has changed is I can now ignore the sorts of movies I don't like quickly and easily.

      Also the reason for the two distinct packages is that OFCOM force Sky to retail them so that people have a choice in what they buy. In reality I think very very few of Sky Movies' 5m subscribers actually only take one package.
      Last edited by fredwestie; 04-04-07 at 11:59 AM.

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Quote Originally Posted by fredwestie View Post
      Sky spends approx 300million on movies each year. This hasn't changed. .

      Sky Accounts June 2004: Annual spend on movies 393m
      Sky Accounts June 2006: Annual spend on movies 310m

      So spending on movies is down over 20% in just 2 years


      Last 6 months figures available (December 2006):
      6 monthly spend on movies 143m - down 16m (over 11%)

      Sky has a clear strategy to cut spending on movies, year-on-year.

      Bear in mind, also, that the number of subscribers to sky movies has increased since 2004. If Sky have added 1.1million customers since June 04, (an increase of 15% in 2 and a half years), then it's fair to assume that the numbers subscribing to movies has increased by around 15% too. And of course, we're all paying more for movies now than we were back in 2004!

      I'm not against Sky making money, but it's pretty clear that a lot more people are spending a lot more money paying for Sky Movies, and Sky are spending a lot less!!

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      Re: Sky Movies - ReOrganised!

      Quote Originally Posted by monstermind View Post
      Sky Accounts June 2004: Annual spend on movies 393m
      Sky Accounts June 2006: Annual spend on movies 310m

      So spending on movies is down over 20% in just 2 years


      Last 6 months figures available (December 2006):
      6 monthly spend on movies 143m - down 16m (over 11%)
      Have you taken into consideration that Sky could have negotiated a better deal for these movies?

      IE they said to the Studios, we want more for less? Just like they did to VM before they asked VM for more money?

      Sky have some clever contract negotiators and I am sure that yes they are paying less, they are definitely getting more. Just a thought.
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