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    Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

    This is a discussion on Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal within the Sky Broadband (Fibre) Help forums, part of the Sky Broadband help and support category; Originally Posted by andrewjr You forgot the line rental BT 26 for BB + 14.60 line rental + 20.25 Sky ...

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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by andrewjr View Post
      You forgot the line rental

      BT
      26 for BB + 14.60 line rental + 20.25 Sky TV = 60.85

      Sky
      20 for BB + 12.25 line rental + 20.25 TV = 52.50

      Lower speeds on sky though it will increase in due time
      If you pay line rental up front for a year, it's 10.75 PM (BT) or 9.95 PM (Sky). So without TV:

      BT: 36.75
      Sky: 29.95

      So 6.80 difference in price (if you pay line rental up front). 8.35 difference if you pay line rental monthly.

      (This ignores any introductory offers)
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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      If you pay BT line rental up front for a year, it's 10.75 PM. So without TV:

      BT: 36.75
      Sky: 32.25

      So 4.50 difference in price (if you pay line rental up front)
      I think you can also pay Sky line rental in advance. 120 i think


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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by paulkerdot View Post
      I think you can also pay Sky line rental in advance. 120 i think
      Thanks, Just checked. 9.95 PM if paid up front from Sky. I will revise my post as follows:

      If you pay line rental up front for a year, it's 10.75 PM (BT) or 9.95 PM (Sky). So without TV:

      BT: 36.75
      Sky: 29.95

      So 6.80 difference in price (if you pay line rental up front)

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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      As for BT's traffic shaping it is only on P2P and even then I've not seen it being absolutly crippled as some people have suggested.

      As for all other protcols I have had no peak time slowdowns since joing up last year.

      And yesterday I went to 80/20 and my router is still showing a max attainable of 90/30, so I even have some noise ratio to play with.

      And I also use my own combined modem/router as well which BT have no problems with that.

      If Sky was to offer the 80/20 I wonder if they will suck up the extra line rental charges from Openreach like BT retail did or go the Talk Talk route and charge another 5?
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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by Undecided Adrian View Post
      ...If Sky was to offer the 80/20 I wonder if they will suck up the extra line rental charges from Openreach like BT retail did or go the Talk Talk route and charge another 5?
      I suspect this is why Sky decided to delay the launch until today.

      They were probably going to charge a one-off fee to increase the speed to 40/10 and charge a higher monthly figure for 80/20.

      Now that BT Retail have thrown down the gauntlet by copying VM's choice to upgrade everyone FOC to the higher speed, I guess it means that Sky will also have to push forward any plans to release further Fibre based products.

      As for traffic management, there are two types on BT Infinity: Peak time & based on what you do.

      If 30mb/s is enough for the evenings and weekends, then fine. Until BTO resolves the backhaul capacity by providing more than is required, it isn't going to improve.

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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by Undecided Adrian View Post
      And yesterday I went to 80/20 and my router is still showing a max attainable of 90/30, so I even have some noise ratio to play with.
      That's interesting about the attainable being 90/30.

      Did you notice a significant improvement when you the 40/10 limit was removed? (I doubt if it would be that noticeable on browsing, due to 40/10 being pretty quick anyway)

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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by simon007 View Post
      SKY: LINE RENTAL 12.25 SKY TALK 5.00 FIBRE BROADBAND 20.00

      total 37.75



      BT: LINE RENTAL 14.60 UNLIMITED ANYTIME CALLS 4.90 FIBRE BROADBAND 26.00 ( 20.00 for 1st 3 months )


      total 45.50 ( 1st 3 months 39.50 )


      SKY offer 40mb DOWN 2 mb up
      BT 80mb DOWN 20mb up ( my estimated actual speed is 65 mb DOWN )

      both unlimited.

      NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PRICE

      BUT SPEED YES
      When you order you can tick the yearly saver on line rental which reduces the line rental to 10.75 a month if you pay the line rental upfront for the the year

      an extra 3.85 off a month down to 35.65 a month

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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      I suspect this is why Sky decided to delay the launch until today.

      They were probably going to charge a one-off fee to increase the speed to 40/10 and charge a higher monthly figure for 80/20.

      Now that BT Retail have thrown down the gauntlet by copying VM's choice to upgrade everyone FOC to the higher speed, I guess it means that Sky will also have to push forward any plans to release further Fibre based products.

      As for traffic management, there are two types on BT Infinity: Peak time & based on what you do.

      If 30mb/s is enough for the evenings and weekends, then fine. Until BTO resolves the backhaul capacity by providing more than is required, it isn't going to improve.
      The 30Mb/s guarentee from Openreach is based on if the cab is full and if all the connections are in use at the same time. That is pretty impressive amount of MINIMUM throughput for a line., I would expect the full synch to be avaliable for a large amount of the time

      VM only has it at 2mb/s and this is why people see a couple of torrent users on their top product can saturate a cabinet and make the whole cab crawl to a halt.

      As for traffic management BT only taffic manage p2p and with a pretty light touch, there is this huge urban myth running round the internet that there are others yet nobody has any proof just some rabit hatred of BT and the fact they have seemed to have managed to offer unlimited downloads with the management of just 1 protocol.
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      Re: Just ordered with BT - price difference minimal

      Quote Originally Posted by Undecided Adrian View Post
      As for BT's traffic shaping it is only on P2P and even then I've not seen it being absolutely crippled as some people have suggested.
      Finally someone said it !!

      There's been lots of people commenting in this thread about BT's traffic shaping/throttling (and one person mentioned it being contended lol, you mean like ALL retail broadband lines are)

      If you don't torrent, then their is no other traffic management from BT on the top Infinty package.

      I'm still waiting on my exchange being enabled, but although i dislike BT for customer service reasons, it does have other advantages over Sky's fibre apart from speed being faster.
      With BT you can use your own router and they offer fastpath.
      In fact so do TalkTalk.

      So although this forum is biased towards Sky (and nothing wrong with that its a Sky forum after all) lets have some perspective here.
      Sky's Fibre is the slowest and most restricted in terms of using ones own hardware.
      However we do know it's got a very good track record of line stability/speed, hell i've been with Sky for nearly 3 years now and speedtest/pingtests come back the same time and time again no matter what time of day or night.

      This latter point will make it very very hard for me to give up Sky, but if they don't offer the 80mb product by June when my exchange is set to go live, i probably will switch over.
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