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    This is a discussion on Believe in better within the Sky Broadband (Fibre) Help forums, part of the Sky Broadband help and support category; Originally Posted by fazedup Which ISP's were selling that product in great numbers in 2009? How many Fibre cabinets were ...

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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by fazedup View Post
      Which ISP's were selling that product in great numbers in 2009?

      How many Fibre cabinets were live in 2009?
      Very few, if any. However, I'm sure Sky were planning and evaluating their options, like everyone else. It seems that the info available to comms companies in 2009 would have allowed them to make appropriate decisions and plans, subject to appropriate trials.

      My point is that I don't think Sky are having to make immediate responses to BTO. It seems that BTO are publishing planned services with due notice and lead time. (for the benefit of all comms companies).
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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      Very few, if any. However, I'm sure Sky were planning and evaluating their options, like everyone else. It seems that the info available to comms companies in 2009 would have allowed them to make appropriate decisions and plans, subject to appropriate trials.

      My point is that I don't think Sky are having to make immediate responses to BTO. It seems that BTO are publishing planned services with due notice and lead time. (for the benefit of all comms companies).
      I completely agree, the literature was out there for all to see. But that doesn't necessarily mean that ISP were in a position to start ordering up or even planning for a product that to all intents and purposes, existed only on paper.

      If the cabs weren't live the fibre wasn't even layed, or the exchanges weren't active for FTTC, how would an ISP be expected to make serious plans to provide an FTTC product?

      The ITU-T G.993.2 standard was ratified in 2005 and amended in 2007. From ratification, to deployment, is a long draw out process.


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      Re: Believe in better

      If anyone lives in Southport, we were there today, and there is a nice pretty little layout in yellow paint on the floor near Visiter (Think thats how its spelt) and the big carpark that says 'DSLAM' on it, so I guess your box is coming soon.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NewsreadeR View Post
      If anyone lives in Southport, we were there today, and there is a nice pretty little layout in yellow paint on the floor near Visiter (Think thats how its spelt) and the big carpark that says 'DSLAM' on it, so I guess your box is coming soon.
      Bet you didn't find a big red button to add drama though...

      TNT TV channel advert goes viral | TV Editor's Blog - Yahoo! TV UK
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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      Bet you didn't find a big red button to add drama though...

      TNT TV channel advert goes viral | TV Editor's Blog - Yahoo! TV UK

      Thats pretty clever.

      Figured something like that would happen though, bit too much like a T-Mobile type approach.
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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      Bet you didn't find a big red button to add drama though...

      TNT TV channel advert goes viral | TV Editor's Blog - Yahoo! TV UK
      That's hilarious.

      Sky could always take a leaf out of Channel 5's book and get the spice girls to launch their fibre ad campaign....


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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by fazedup View Post
      That's hilarious.

      Sky could always take a leaf out of Channel 5's book and get the spice girls to launch their fibre ad campaign....
      I said this weeks ago, sky need to get Maureen Lipman, doing its good to talk!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ipster View Post
      I said this weeks ago, sky need to get Maureen Lipman, doing its good to talk!
      Not bad.

      Although I liked Peter Kay in the John Smith's ads, he gets my vote for the Sky ad campaign.


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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Ipster View Post
      I said this weeks ago, sky need to get Maureen Lipman, doing its good to talk!
      That would be great with Busby in the background hanging upside down from a telephone box. Total kick in the teeth.
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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      The page does deal specifically with ADSL:
      • Shared LLU: Where only your broadband service is provided using LLU. Also known as SMPF (Shared Metallic Path Facilities)
      • Full LLU: Where you have your voice and broadband service is provided using LLU. Also known as full MPF (Metallic Path Facilities)
      ...or at least that is my take on it. 'Shared metallic' or 'full metallic' paths to me means copper telephone lines. There appeared to be nothing for Fibre.
      Have to disagree with your take on it:
      1. LLU (in its two forms SMPF and MPF) and non-LLU are concerned with management of by whom and how the line is controlled in terms of both the voice service and the data service.
      2. ADSL and FTTC are the technologies that deliver the service. [Both use copper wire, but obviously FTTC delivers over less copper than ADSL ]

      I think the situation seems to have become over-complicated by the fact that different migration processes have sprung up to handle migration from one product type to another, and sometimes seem to be specific to ADSL.

      I believe that it is possible to migrate FTTC from one provider to another without the use of a MAC but it depends on the new provider arranging everything with the old provider. Obviously the crucial point though is that the new provider must be willing to accept migrations in, which I gather s not currently the case with Sky.

      What needs to be done is for a single common standard migration process to be developed and then adopted by all providers. It should also be "product agnostic". Ofcom seems to be moving slowly towards this but maybe there won't be anything in place until 2013:

      thinkbroadband :: Ofcom extends migration consultation period

      thinkbroadband :: Ofcom moves a step closer to a better migration system for the UK

      Ofcom | Consumer switching - A consultation on proposals to change the processes for switching fixed voice and broadband providers on the Openreach copper network
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