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    This is a discussion on Believe in better within the Sky Broadband (Fibre) Help forums, part of the Sky Broadband help and support category; Originally Posted by fazedup EDIT: Still think you jumped ship a little too soon, I'm certain Sky will catch up, ...

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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by fazedup View Post
      EDIT: Still think you jumped ship a little too soon, I'm certain Sky will catch up, they always do.
      That's my point. Sky always catch-up. Why can't they be technology leaders instead?


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      Re: Believe in better

      That is a very risky course of action given that there are reports of some Sky LLU exchanges not being ready for fibre due to having older equipment.

      I would be very ticked off going from Fibre to ADSL2+ and then being told fibre not avaliable.

      Sky have had months to set this up and yet it's order time and they are still not ready.
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      Re: Believe in better

      I pointed out in another post recently that the bureaucratic systems are not yet in place to allow people to switch between BTW Fibre products and LLU Fibre products.

      This is something that Ofcom will no doubt get involved with.

      In the mean time you will need to cancel your existing Fibre product and then, when the line is clear, you can order a new Fibre product.

      This would be different when switching between two ISPs who both completely use BTW systems.

      As for people choosing to go to BT Retail (i.e. Infinity) now - No problem. In the coming months we shall see which was the better choice. Very few can manage to stream lots of data on a regular basis and at the end of the day you should choose what it best for you based upon the available information.

      Sky knew that BTO were doubling the speeds. They knew that BT Retail would introduce an 80/20 product. They knew that VM had doubled their speeds. If they want to be so conservative and let the competition jump first, then I guess that they can't be accused of wanting to dominate the UK for broadband, like they are for TV.
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      Re: Believe in better

      I found this whilst doing some "research" recently on the mechanics of migration from one ISP to another:

      Ofcom migration processes

      It doesn't specifically make mention of fttc, but various scenarios are covered (e.g. LLU to LLU).
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      Re: Believe in better

      Btw, even though I've ordered from BT, I still have the option to change my mind up to the 30th - just in case Sky come up with a competitive 80 / 20 offering before then:

      From BT T&C...

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      1. You may cancel your agreement for the service before the service start date set out in the service terms. If you do so we will not charge you for the service

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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      Sky knew that BTO were doubling the speeds. They knew that BT Retail would introduce an 80/20 product. They knew that VM had doubled their speeds. If they want to be so conservative and let the competition jump first, then I guess that they can't be accused of wanting to dominate the UK for broadband, like they are for TV.
      What they didn't know was that BT would offer the new profile for no extra charge. This seems to be what stumped them. I find it very strange that they hadn't planned for that scenario.

      Btw, I don't know how long BT will get away with advertising a doubling of speeds. I don't think this will be viewed well by Ofcom, considering most people getting 38-39MB today are unlikely to get 76-78MB on the new profile. They've doubled the upper limit, but not doubled the actual speed. I can see the wording changing in due course.

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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by speedyrite View Post
      I found this whilst doing some "research" recently on the mechanics of migration from one ISP to another:

      Ofcom migration processes

      It doesn't specifically make mention of fttc, but various scenarios are covered (e.g. LLU to LLU).
      The page does deal specifically with ADSL:

      Shared LLU: Where only your broadband service is provided using LLU. Also known as SMPF (Shared Metallic Path Facilities)Full LLU: Where you have your voice and broadband service is provided using LLU. Also known as full MPF (Metallic Path Facilities)
      ...or at least that is my take on it. 'Shared metallic' or 'full metallic' paths to me means copper telephone lines. There appeared to be nothing for Fibre.

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      What they didn't know was that BT would offer the new profile for no extra charge. This seems to be what stumped them. I find it very strange that they hadn't planned for that scenario.
      Sorry, I meant to say that. However it was predictable and they obviously hadn't planned properly for it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Fibreman View Post
      Btw, I don't know how long BT will get away with advertising a doubling of speeds. I don't think this will be viewed well by Ofcom, considering most people getting 38-39MB today are unlikely to get 76-78MB on the new profile. They've doubled the upper limit, but not doubled the actual speed. I can see the wording changing in due course.
      Well they can still say that they are faster than Sky

      As for doubling the actual connection speed, this does get more confusing. If we look at most of the SBUF trialists, with the new technology, most have achieved a 40mb connection with very few exceptions. Last year FTTC would have given many a connection speed below 35mb. With the new signal tech. being used, speeds vary hugely from below 40mb up to 80mb. My friend's connection shows up at 55mb down and around 10mb up.

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      Speedtest: 17.15MB/s 0.97Mb/s Ping 31 ms

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      Re: Believe in better

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      My friend's connection shows up at 55mb down and around 10mb up.
      BT are quoting me the same 55 down, but with 18 up. Seems strange to me that downstream could be the same (as your friend), when upstream is so different.

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      Re: Believe in better

      This is a copy of the results given for her connection:

      Believe in better-bb-checker-results.jpg

      For the record she used to get around 9mb on BT and now gets 15.8mb with Sky.

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      Re: Believe in better

      VDSL2 is a lot more sensitive than ADSL technologies, it has a bigger drop off in signal over distance. Crosstalk also affects it more than ADSL2+and even wire diameter can be now more significant as well as possible dodgy connections.

      Also Aluminium lines will be affected worse than copper but due to the shorter line lengths it means areas like Basingstoke can finally get half decent speeds.

      This is why the checker is pretty conservative as there are so many more variables and what my line reports may be very different to my neighbour. Especially as I was on the ADSL trial in the late 90's and I got a brand new line installed then.
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