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    Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

    This is a discussion on Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve within the Sky Broadband (Fibre) Help forums, part of the Sky Broadband help and support category; One question that needs to be answered is how are the distances from the cabinet measured. If it from your ...

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      Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      One question that needs to be answered is how are the distances from the cabinet measured. If it from your home to the first BTO green street cabinet, or the distance from your home to the FTTC cabinet, via the first green street cabinet. Anyway, this table may help some people to get a good idea what to expect from FTTC connections:

      thinkbroadband :: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve
      Digital Region broadband providers are ensuring they are not left behind in the speed competition, as Origin Broadband has announced the details of its faster than 40 Mbps service Origin Max. The £35.50 per month service will run VDSL2 at the fastest possible speeds, so while some will receive 50Mbps, 70Mbps, there will be some managing to break the mythical 100 Mbps barrier. Pre-orders for the Max product are being taken now, with activations starting 1st May 2012.
      The product page includes a dozen example speeds along with distance to the cabinet measured for lines which have had the service activated, and these help to show what VDSL2 is capable of in the UK.


      Distance to Cabinet Downstream Upstream
      147 m 106 Mbps 22 Mbps
      171 m 121 Mbps 27 Mbps
      183 m 98 Mbps 9 Mbps
      245 m 104 Mbps 21.6 Mbps
      248 m 107 Mbps 27 Mbps
      269 m 98 Mbps 27 Mbps
      392 m 81.5 Mbps 19.8 Mbps
      416 m 96 Mbps 30 Mbps
      490 m 76 Mbps 24.2 Mbps
      612 m 56 Mbps 22 Mbps
      857 m 32 Mbps 8.5 Mbps
      1372 m 22 Mbps 1.7 Mbps


      The suggestion from these figures is that if the distance from your home to the street cabinet is under 400 metre long, then speeds around the 80 Mbps mark should be possible. The performance all the way out to 1000m (1km) is interesting as it looks like 25 Mbps is possible, and with 90% of telephone lines having 1km or less of cable to their street cabinet, the scale of the difference VDSL2 offers compared to ADSL2+ becomes apparent.
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      Speedtest: 17.15MB/s 0.97Mb/s Ping 31 ms


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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      The guys behind origin broadband must have spent a small fortune on the infrastructure of their company. The have built fibre cabinets specifically for their own network. I wonder what their backhaul is like? While sly have their own top class network they still have bottlenecks at the BT shared fibre cabinets.


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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Well they won't have actually spent their own money as such

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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      One question that needs to be answered is how are the distances from the cabinet measured. If it from your home to the first BTO green street cabinet, or the distance from your home to the FTTC cabinet, via the first green street cabinet. Anyway, this table may help some people to get a good idea what to expect from FTTC connections
      They don't use Openreach! It is a private company.

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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Hi Scubbie,

      All the measurements are from the FTTC cabinet to the end users premises so the system measured electrical length of the line.

      Regards,
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      www.origin-broadband.co.uk

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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Quote Originally Posted by Originb View Post
      Hi Scubbie,

      All the measurements are from the FTTC cabinet to the end users premises so the system measured electrical length of the line.

      Regards,
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      Mr Origin

      Do you have your own backhaul network from the exchange out to the internet at large or do you use someone else's?


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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Quote Originally Posted by Router Fan View Post
      They don't use Openreach! It is a private company.
      I am happy to be proved wrong, but that it what I believed to be true.

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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Quote Originally Posted by Router Fan View Post
      I am happy to be proved wrong, but that it what I believed to be true.
      They don't use Openreach they have their own fibre ring around Sheffield. I used to be on it. It's really not all that!

      Mind you that was when I rented a room and I had an Ethernet port built into the wall by the desk and I just plugged in and off I went ( It was in the rent as was all the bills)

      When I had a problem one of their engineers came out. Again this was in 2009

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      Re: Origin shows what speeds VDSL2 can achieve

      Quote Originally Posted by paulkerdot View Post
      ...While sly have their own top class network they still have bottlenecks at the BT shared fibre cabinets.
      Following the various pages on the web (many of whom have had links posted on the forum) I would suggest that you have a personal connection from your home, to the cabinet and on to the exchange. From there it will be joined to Sky's LLU equipment via a 1Gbit Ethernet connection. It will be at this point that you would expect traffic problems, if any, to come in to play.

      Quote Originally Posted by Originb View Post
      All the measurements are from the FTTC cabinet to the end users premises so the system measured electrical length of the line.
      Many thanks for your input. Would you be able to comment on how well your figure could compare to BTO speeds?

      I appreciate that the quality of the copper (and sometimes aluminium) cables will vary more than you own systems. Also would you be able to comment as to whether Sky will someday have access to your infrastructure? PM me if need be.

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