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      400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers
      Hundreds of thousands of families will not receive a 'fast' broadband connection automatically even though they live in towns and cities, the Government has admitted.

      The news comes after ministers said they would not automatically extend superfast broadband to the final five per cent of the UK by 2017.

      This means that one million homes will have to request the broadband connection themselves, and in some cases may have to pay extra to cover the cost of connecting.

      A 'fast' broadband connection of 10Mbps is deemed to be the speed needed to meet the demands of a typical family or small business.

      In a Whitehall document, the Government has admitted that of the one million homes, 600,000 are in areas defined as remote or remote rural.

      The remaining families live in “suburban areas and cities”, officials said, raising questions about why ministers are being allowed effectively to give up on them.

      The Daily Telegraph has launched a "Better Broadband" campaign for better which has been backed by MPs and organisations representing tens of thousands of companies.

      In a letter published in today’s Daily Telegraph, Adam Marshall, the acting director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said the Telegraph’s “call to ensure universal superfast broadband is one that chambers of commerce across the country fully support.

      "Disgracefully, many offices, business parks and road and rail routes across Britain still lack both mobile and broadband connectivity.

      "We see evidence that businesses suffer from poor service standards, “not spots”, unreliable connections and a market that fails to offer competition and choice.

      "Unless firms see improvements on reliability, speed and coverage, their performance – and the productivity of the United Kingdom as a whole – will continue to be severely affected."

      The Government will bring forward plans in coming months to legislate to give families a legal right to be given a 10 MegaBit broadband connection.

      Ministers want to put a right to a fast broadband connection on the same level as the right to receive other utility supplies such as water, gas and electricity.

      Last November David Cameron, the Prime Minister, described giving everyone a 10Mbps speed was described as a “universal service obligation”. However last month, Ed Vaizey, the Digital Economy minister, admitted it was only a “near-universal" roll-out.

      Mr Vaizey, who is in charge of the programme, also said that the way the roll-out was being handled by the Government and councils meant in some places “half an estate is being covered, and half an estate is not being covered”.

      He also admitted that in some part of the country where one village is upgraded and another neighbouring settlement is not.

      Grant Shapps, a former Tory party chairman who runs the Big Infrastructure Group campaign, said: “The Prime Minister was absolutely clear last autumn when he said high speed broadband is now the fourth utility and everyone is entitled to receive a decent connection of at least 10 megabits.

      “Yet somehow that message is in danger of being tied up in red-tape and lost in translation. The British Infrastructure Group of MPs is calling on ministers to get on grip on the system and deliver precisely what the prime minister rightly promised.”

      A Government source said broadband was unavailable in some towns and cities because of issues such as "the costs of streetworks, difficulties in gaining access to locations for new street cabinets and the complexity of re-engineering old copper telephone networks".

      In another letter in Saturday's Telegraph, Mr Vaizey said: "Nine out of 10 homes and businesses can already get superfast speeds – four million of which would have missed out if not for our £1.7 billion investment through the superfast broadband programme.

      "By December 2017 that will rise to 95 per cent. Reaching the hardest to reach part of the UK is of course more expensive, so it makes sense for it to be provided on request to those who want it – in the same way that telephone lines are provided.


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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      I am by no means rural, but I struggle to get 7mbit most of the time and never above 8.

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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      Quote Originally Posted by BurnIT View Post
      I am by no means rural, but I struggle to get 7mbit most of the time and never above 8.
      Strange that is. I'm rural but only got Fibre in March.

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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      I am in one of those streets that will now never get fibre unless we install it ourselves.
      Back in the day when NTL were in charge, fibre was installed locally. Unfortunately my street was also getting gas repairs and NTL missed it. So although I am surrounded by people who have fibre, I don't and would have to install it myself and buy a strip of land from the property that backs on to mine to do so.

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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      I remember of some stories from colleagues back in 2000. They were in between streets that had cable even though they were in the city. I remember thinking back then, maybe one day I'll get it. 16 years later.

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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      Quote Originally Posted by BurnIT View Post
      I am in one of those streets that will now never get fibre unless we install it ourselves.
      Back in the day when NTL were in charge, fibre was installed locally. Unfortunately my street was also getting gas repairs and NTL missed it. So although I am surrounded by people who have fibre, I don't and would have to install it myself and buy a strip of land from the property that backs on to mine to do so.
      Virgin Media would probably connect your street if, as you say, all the other streets around you are connected. If you get enough people to agree to take the service when connected. That's what their "Project Lightning" is all about, adding more customers cheaply, so if the cables pass your street that should by quite cheap for them. You should start a petition and send it to them. If Openreach isn't doing Fibre in your area then this is like free money for them.

      I have Virgin in my street but working for Sky I would rather get Sky Fibre but it isn't available and I'm not on any roll-out plans currently.

      Openreach site gives this unhelpful message, "We're working with government and industry to explore ways to bring Superfast fibre to as many people as possible but don't have a plan for your area yet. You might consider co-funding fibre access in your community. Knowing there's a healthy demand in your area can also really help." I guess I need to start a petition too!

      So I'm stuck with 6.5Mb/s Sky ADSL or up to 3Mb/s BT/talktalk ADSL (their estimates) or go to Virgin for up to 300Mb/s. Isn't competition great! I'd be happy with 40Mb/s for the time being.
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      Re: 400,000 families in UK towns and cities denied automatic 'fast' broadband by ministers

      In other words they are happy to make the profit, but don't want the costs!!

     

     

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