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      The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card
      But, EU Robo-Commish: we don’t have one. And we don't want one

      Analysis The EU’s enquiry into online plantations platforms will recommend a hands-off approach that will delight Silicon Valley. A draft of the enquiry was leaked this week.

      The study, part of the EU's Digital Single Market wheeze, also sneaks in one of the EU bureaucrats' top favourite obsessions: national ID cards. You shouldn't be surfing without one, the report suggests.

      Logging into internet services using an eID gives the state the ability to see where you're surfing without that pesky bulk surveillance technology, or asking ISPs to retain records.

      Platform economics: As you were


      The European Commission has noticed that only four per cent of the most used internet platforms come from the EU. And it’s noticed some dangers to competition from dominant platforms, too:

      In certain cases, where efficient online platform-markets have become the benchmark, the central role played by a limited number of established online platforms can lead to adverse effects for their users – by they businesses or consumers – through imbalanced relationships and the potential for unfair treatment. They may also potentially limit competitors’ innovation capabilities.

      Platforms benefit from network effects, and a vast aggregation of data which arises from operating at scale, and the ability to analyse that data. Critics have suggested that competing with Uber will be impossible, no matter what organisational form a competitor takes (such as a workers' co-op), because Uber has the data on where people already are. Uber will always get there quicker. Once a monopoly, always a monopoly.

      “There’s $7bn of VC money that’s betting on Uber being a monopoly market,” Tom Slee, author of What's Yours is Mine: Against the Sharing Economy, told us. “If it isn’t, then the VCs take a bath.”

      And the regulatory answer?

      Not very much. The howls of anguish from data plantation owners such as Uber and YouTube have been clearly been heard.

      “Modernisation should seek to avoid imposing a disproportionate burden on online platform business models. At the same time, in areas where competitive pressures have been increased, deregulation of traditional sectors may offer the most beneficial response to achieve a level playing field,” says the EU report.

      Anyone hoping for a more ethical internet will be disappointed. “Voluntary, good faith measures” will be encouraged. (Good luck with that).

      UGC and copyright infringement


      Any policing of user-generated content (UGC) – such as "copies" of original songs and movies uploaded onto YouTube by users – which has been made easier by automated filtering, will continue to be voluntary, not statutory. Nor is there a commitment to “notice and stay down”, which depresses prices in the legal marketplace. UGC versions of copyrighted material (such as films and music tracks) reappear, and this allows YouTube to pay much lower rates than licensed non-UGC services such as Spotify (as we explained here).

      The EU Commission will instead merely “continue to review the need for formal notice-and-action procedures”, aka wait-and-see. The net result of the recommendations is that it doesn’t move the liability needle for YouTube a single millimetre.

      Sources suggest that grumpy copyright holders in the music and newspaper industries have been bought off with hints of a promise of a tax or levy elsewhere. Taxes and levies are a favoured EU solution, but don’t help build a market. If anything, they destroy the incentives to trade IP. And consumers hate them.

      “It will give Google the problem of liability and the problem of public relations pressure to do “more” (with no baseline) to deal with hate speech, terrorism, child protection, copyright, etc,” whines the Soros-funded Big Tech group EDRi, incorrectly, in a post entitled “Protecting Google at all costs”. That title surely is a
      Freudian slip.*

      You're too stupid to surf. Get an ID card


      Estonian robo-commissioner Andrus Ansip works in one of this favourite suggestions: using national ID cards to log in to online services: “Online platforms need to accept credentials issued or recognised by national public authorities, such as electronic ID cards, citizen cards, bank cards or mobile IDs”.

      Why? Apparently, “for every consumer to have a multitude of username and password combinations is not only inconvenient but becomes a security risk.”

      Estonian is inordinately proud of its electronic ID cards, which it introduced in 2012 and the nation’s entire population of ten men and a donkey are apparently happy with it too. It makes them feel digital and modern. Or, perhaps after fifty years of authoritarian rule, Estonians just shrugged and got used to it. But the UK, with its common law tradition, has rejected ID cards time and again.

      This time the justification for ID cards isn’t terror, or immigration – it’s safe surfing.
      Seriously.


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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      Call me a cynical old so and so if you want but I can quite see this happening. Another good reason to get out of the EU although I suspect that governments and organisations here would think that it was a good idea anyway.

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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      Honestly, what a load of tosh!
      As above just another reason to leave the EU.
      Im not sure that any uk govt would actually want this, just a step to far.
      It certainly would not resonate with the majority of the uk residents.

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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      I think that articles like this are being pumped out to scare people into leaving the EU. I posted it to see if anyone would believe it, but obviously this isn't the case.

      ID cards thankfully never made it in the UK. Hopefully they never will. This is just a bit of scaremongering by someone with a political agenda.

      It would be too expensive to implement and violate so many privacy laws that it would crash and burn.

      Why would I wish to provide Google with personal information such as my Passport? Before you ask, the UK linked the UK ID card with the passport database, so yes they would in effect have access to your passport details.

      Someone really didn't think this through properly before they tried to stir up trouble.

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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      I'm in two minds regarding leaving or staying to be honest.

      Stay: Yes a good thing for ease of trade deals, information and the support of your fellow members states BUT............ I disagree with the amount of overseas people that are coming to the UK putting strain on our recourses and we are unable to control their movements.

      Leave: Yes get out, control our own boarders and control our own trade deals but then will the rest of the EU trade with us and will they leave us in the wilderness?
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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      We tend to forget just how many people from the UK have moved to Europe for both work and retirement.

      Spain is quite well known, but there are plenty who live and work in many other parts of Europe.

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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      The EU gravy train jockeys are quietly shi**ing themselves over this vote! If we vote out the whole house of cards will come tumbling down. If we vote out we'll have to invoke Article 50 of the treaty which was put there as the originator of the whole sorry mess didn't want any members to feel imprisoned. Nobody has ever invoked article 50 but the mechanisms for leaving are in place. I reckon we'd just be the first rock in the avalanche.

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      Re: The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

      That of course is a danger. If it were to crumble then Spain, Italy & Greece would be the first big casualities

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