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    Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

    This is a discussion on Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding within the General Computing and Internet forums, part of the Community channel category; I also find it wrong that English MPs are not allowed to vote on matters discussed in the Welsh Assembly, ...

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      I also find it wrong that English MPs are not allowed to vote on matters discussed in the Welsh Assembly, the Scottish Parliament or the Northern Ireland Assembly, yet MPs of Wales, NI & Scotland are allowed to vote on matters specific to England.
      Yes, us savages to the North and West have to keep you lot under our thumb.
      The problem is known as-
      West Lothian question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      i can understand why people feel scottish parliament has charged english students but blame the eu for that
      European student numbers soar at Scotland's free universities | Education | guardian.co.uk
      because england ,wales and ireland are classed as the same state as scotland ie the uk then under eu rules they are liable to pay [but thats typical of the eu]the bb money was always intended for the gov 2015 bb for everyone scheme
      dholdi as the saying goes the best part of england is the M6 North

      ps Maybe instead of wrongly accusing Scotland of all sorts of things, English people could instead vote for parties that promise free education.

      You know, like the Scots did.

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      I also find it wrong that English MPs are not allowed to vote on matters discussed in the Welsh Assembly, the Scottish Parliament or the Northern Ireland Assembly, yet MPs of Wales, NI & Scotland are allowed to vote on matters specific to England.
      Definitely agree with that.

      As Isitme said, it's known as the "West Lothian Question".

      In fact, it is directly due to the votes of Labour MPs in Scotland that students in England had to suffer "top-up fees" in the first place, causing the fees to rise from 1000 per year to 3000.

      Tuition fees in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      BBC NEWS | Scotland | Scots MPs attacked over fees vote

      46 Labour MPs with constituencies in Scotland voted with the Blair government in favour of imposing "top-up fees", MPs whose own constituencies would be completely and utterly unaffected by the legislation due to education being a devolved matter. The government won by only 316 to 311...

      I believe that Labour MPs in Scotland were also crucial for the Blair government's victory regarding the introduction of "Foundation Hospitals", despite it not affecting their own constituencies due to health being a devolved matter.

      Quote Originally Posted by dtr44 View Post
      ps Maybe instead of wrongly accusing Scotland of all sorts of things, English people could instead vote for parties that promise free education.

      You know, like the Scots did.
      The only party which ran on a pledge to oppose any increase to tuition fees, and also had a manifesto commitment to eventually phase out tuition fees altogether within six years, were the Liberal Democrats... and we know what happened there


      Going back a few years...


      The Labour government under Blair introduced tuition fees in the first place (initially at 1000), following the recommendation of the Dearing Report (yet disregarded the Dearing Report's recommendation to keep the maintenance grant, and scrapped that instead and replaced it with more loans). It also introduced an absolutely ridiculous salary threshold for beginning the repayment of student loans - a mere 10,000.

      Labour then later introduced "top-up fees", to take the fee level from 1000 to 3000. This was despite an earlier manifesto pledge stating that Labour "will not introduce top-up fees and has legislated against them"! As mentioned above, this only passed due to Labour MPs in Scotland toeing the party line despite it having no effect on their own constituencies. This change also increased the salary threshold from 10,000 to 15,000 - better, but still far too low.

      The Lib Dems have been the only party to consistently be opposed to tuition fees for several years now... until the Coalition found that the utter lack of money in the country's wallet meant that they'd have to be increased

      I just wish that they had *all* kept their pledges and not voted in favour of the increase, even those in government like Clegg. I can see why he felt he had to vote "Yes", given that he's the DPM, but he made a pledge and the Coalition Agreement did allow for abstaining IIRC.

      Thankfully my local Lib Dem MP Julian Huppert kept his promise.

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      The only party which ran on a pledge to oppose any increase to tuition fees, and also had a manifesto commitment to eventually phase out tuition fees altogether within six years, were the Liberal Democrats... and we know what happened there

      BBC News - SNP conference: Salmond in free education pledge
      or older SNP makes 'free education' pledge | SNP - Scottish National Party

      snp has being saying free education for over 5 years tbh [maybe in england it was the lib dems ] i think that's why snp are now in charge of the scottish parliament by a majority

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      Quote Originally Posted by dtr44 View Post
      The only party which ran on a pledge to oppose any increase to tuition fees, and also had a manifesto commitment to eventually phase out tuition fees altogether within six years, were the Liberal Democrats... and we know what happened there

      BBC News - SNP conference: Salmond in free education pledge
      or older SNP makes 'free education' pledge | SNP - Scottish National Party

      snp has being saying free education for over 5 years tbh [maybe in england it was the lib dems ] i think that's why snp are now in charge of the scottish parliament by a majority
      Sorry - should have said "only UK-wide party".

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      if the scottish parliament didn't exist then no doubts education for everyone in scotland wouldn't be free .

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      Quote Originally Posted by dtr44 View Post
      if the scottish parliament didn't exist then no doubts education for everyone in scotland wouldn't be free .
      Let's remember that we are talking about University Education, not college or School.

      Whilst hugely beneficial for everyone concerned, it is not mandatory to go to University. Many people do extremely well who have never been to University.

      At the same time, people are only expected to repay the fees if they earn enough money.

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      Quote Originally Posted by dtr44 View Post
      dholdi as the saying goes the best part of england is the M6 North
      Absolutely, although I reckon there should be tolls on the section Northbound of Preston


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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      if the scottish parliament didn't exist then no doubts education for everyone in scotland wouldn't be free
      Your right that it's not neccesary to go to uni , and it's not for everyone, but we were talking about free uni places. I'm pretty sure if the english students wanted to study from primary 1 through to secondary then onto college in scotland we wouldn't charge 9000 a year

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      Re: Scottish government told to "cheer up" over broadband funding

      Quote Originally Posted by dholdi View Post
      Absolutely, although I reckon there should be tolls on the section Northbound of Preston
      Should we raise the question of reintroducing Passport Control just north of Carlisle and also at the Watford Gap?

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