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      Re: ... and now Sky (amongst others)

      when I worked in mobile phone repair many moons ago, the only entrance/exit was through massive metal detectors. Movie drug dealers got the right idea with naked employees . I didn't realise it was the Mail so I can unclench a bit now!

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      Oh and damn them rouge employees, with their sneak and dual wield tomfoolery. The red outifts are always the giveaway though Scubster >.<


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      Yes, the DM do seem to enjoy being scaremongers.

      Obviously I would want concrete proof that my personal details have been stolen because of lax security procedures before jumping ship.

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      Re: ... and now Sky (amongst others)

      I change my Amazon password regularly, and other accounts.

      I use a program called MSecure and recommend everyone should use something like it. It generates passwords and then encrypts them using Blowfish 256 bit encryption, stores that encrypted data in the cloud which then syncs with my phones & computers. All I need to do is remember the one horribly long password I use for msecure itself, and that is stored on the device itself.

      Far too many people who use thier birthdays, 'qwerty12345' or other pretty useless passwords.

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      Oh and damn them rouge employees, with their sneak and dual wield tomfoolery. The red outifts are always the giveaway though Scubster >.<
      Typo? Rouge empoyees? Do you mean 'Rogue' or do you have something against people with red complexions?

      Ah I have just read that again, I see you DO mean rouge, must go down to specsavers!
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      Trouble is now days everything is getting hacked and we won't be able to stop it because the hackers are getting better and better at doing it.
      What makes me laugh is that 1000s of people around the world put their life stories tel numbers, pictures, credit card details all on Facebook where i would think they are the number one target for con artist and thieves and hackers yet that don't turn them off of going on there but sky, talk talk, vodafone, microsoft, samsung, and big companies like that are being slaughtered for being hacked and yet we are willingly giving all our information to facebook for nothing.( by the way i don't mean everyone is doing that i for one don't.)


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      Facebook must be paradise for Social engineers. Having said that it is amazing what information can be gleaned from the announcements pages of local newspapers especially now with searchable online archives.

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      Your thoughts are akin to mine. There was a thread the other day where I stated that I cared not if the authorities went through my post, nothing there of interest to them, or me come to that.

      There were mutterings of 'privacy' and human rights, I decided not to follow up on it as I was far too busy at that moment, but your comment has re-ignited my thoughts.

      Firstly, if you want privacy, then do not use the internet, especially Facebook, Twitter and the myriad other life sharing apps now out there, stick to snail mail. I give as an example a colleague of my wife, young woman, works over in Texas. Now her facebook account is a burglars dream, not only do we get postings of where she has been, we also know where she is, almost to the minute, and where she's planning on going and when. To top this, we also have photographs of her mothers house containing some very lovely antiques and where she lives, only the road not the name/number, but that's not hard to find out; and we found out she was going over to europe shortly. I would suggest if I was caught trying to burgle the place that it was entrapment!

      Secondly, Human Rights, sigh... yes we all have them, I have the right to expect to be safe when I walk the streets, fly in planes, ride on the tube and other non-exotic daily activities. IF breaching someone elses so-called 'Human Rights' because the intend me or my loved ones harm, whether that be by a terrorist act or by assualting our children, then that's just tough. With freedom comes responsibility, if you abdicate that responsibility, then you abdicate any rights you may have also. If that means, to keep me and mine safe I have to allow the security forces to have access, under judicial warrrant, then so be it, I'll not lose a minutes sleep, in fact I may even rest easier.
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      Secondly, Human Rights, sigh... yes we all have them, I have the right to expect to be safe when I walk the streets, fly in planes, ride on the tube and other non-exotic daily activities. IF breaching someone elses so-called 'Human Rights' because the intend me or my loved ones harm, whether that be by a terrorist act or by assualting our children, then that's just tough. With freedom comes responsibility, if you abdicate that responsibility, then you abdicate any rights you may have also. If that means, to keep me and mine safe I have to allow the security forces to have access, under judicial warrrant, then so be it, I'll not lose a minutes sleep, in fact I may even rest easier.
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      Re: ... and now Sky (amongst others)

      Please don't think that it is one and the same thing when discussing human rights and threats from terrorism.

      There are some things which our security forces can and do do in order to protect us. There are also many things that could be added so that, for example, the Police could have better powers to enforce the laws we already have in place.

      What I do not like is for someone, without my consent, reading through all my mail, watching every movement I make and checking to see what I am reading.

      There are many good sites out there which are already being banned or blocked not because they are illegal or promote nasty points of view. They are being blocked because some people have extreme right-wing or religious views and want to force us back to a time when everyone should adhere to their beliefs.

      I'm sorry, but that is not my choice of life.

      There are people out there who have to hide some facts about themselves as to do otherwise would open then to prejudice, hatred and violence.

      Why? Simply because a small number of individuals want to torch their home, murder them because the individuals feel threatened some how.

      I know people who have been put in this position.

      I know people who have had to be moved because someone thought that it was fun to pour petrol through their letter box, followed by a match or lighter.

      Yes they lost everything and have had to rebuild their lives.

      Did the Police know who did it? Yes.

      Did they get prosecuted? No. Not sufficient evidence.

      Even when a friend's son was killed, she was asked not to attend the inquest by the local Police because the local population didn't like 'her kind'. That's the UK for you and it wasn't that long ago.

      How about being turned away from the A&E because a doctor doesn't want to treat you for perceived religious beliefs? It happens.

      Back in 2000 the Sun ran a campaign to expose Paedophiles. The local people wrongly identified some people and ended up harassing some very innocent and vulnerable people.

      A lot of people are now able to search the Internet to find support sites, such as this. There are many other support sites available for other subjects where the help has made a hugely beneficial difference to someone's life. Knowing such information about them could place that person's life in mortal danger.

      I also know a close friend whose life was posted on the front of a newspaper and ended up requiring Police protection due to the violence metered out by local residents. Of course the Police came after the damage was done and one child had become traumatised.


      So I'm sorry, I have very good reasons why I do not like the idea of anyone snooping through our post, emails, browsing history, phone calls and anything else.



      If you believe that you have nothing to hide, then think about posting it all on a local billboard and see what happens.


      As for protecting ourselves against terrorism, start thinking in terms of how are they getting their money. Do you seriously think that all this fraud going on at the moment is just going to the Bank of Nigeria?

      When was the last time you noticed an unattended shopping bag on the bus or train? Have you ever thought about that shopping bag left "accidentally" on market day by the bench outside McDonalds?

      A lot of people could help by keeping their brains in gear. Many others do need suitable support. They do need to be reminded that various institutions do not call them and demand thousands of pounds over the phone. I also realise that this needs to be done on a regular basis.

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      I accept most of your views without hesitation, but the fact that some Sun readers do not know the difference between a peadophile and a paediatrician says more about our education system than anything else.

      There are many good sites out there which are already being banned or blocked not because they are illegal or promote nasty points of view. They are being blocked because some people have extreme right-wing or religious views and want to force us back to a time when everyone should adhere to their beliefs.

      I'm sorry, but that is not my choice of life.
      I'm afraid this is where we must differ, as I stated in my previous offering, wtih freedom comes responsibility. Are you suggesting that these sites should be easily accessible by those who are easlily manipulated? You are an intelligent person who can throw away the chaff, noise and idiocy that appears on some sites, however, there are a lot of people who are not quite as astute.

      In an ideal world no-one would want to ban anything, however we do not live in an ideal world and we must protect those who may be manipulated.

      It is unfortunate, but in order to do this the security services must be able to gain access to certain material, how else do you expect them to gather the evidence to prosecute someone?

      When the UDHR was adopted by the UN, not far off seventy years ago now, the Internet was probably just a daft far off thought in the minds of a couple of US scientists, the world wide web was even further away as Berners-Lee was not even born!

      Times have changed, the UDHR was never accepted by everyone, Saudi Arabia for example says it conflicts with Sharia Law, Russia is not a signatory.

      ECHR article 8 is I suspect the one we are discussing and I quote:

      provides a right to respect for one's "private and family life, his home and his correspondence", subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society".
      Note the subject to, it's not and never was a closed policy. As I have already stated, with freedom comes responsibility, we cannot have a policy where everything goes, that is anarchy, and anarchy will not work in a civilised society.

      You ask do I look out for unnatended handbags and luggage, too right I do, by luck and the grace of God I was not on the tubes on 7/7.

      There will, sadly, always be intollerence and bigotry, I have no time for anyone who peddles either. I live and work in London where, due to the nature of London having always been a melting pot, it's not as visible and certainly not as acceptable as it is in many parts of the UK. However the peddlers are out there on the WWW, we cannot and must not ignore that.
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      In some ways I believe we can agree. Responsibility is a must.

      Yes there are many sites out there which perpetuate violence and abuse. Thankfully there is a system available to shut them down and where this is not possible, they are often blocked.

      What I disagree with is the desire of some individuals to monitor everything that we do. If the Government wishes to collect the information, you can be sure that it will be used. That is true for anyone who gathers information/data.

      The examples I gave is just a small sample that I know of directly. There are many more I don't know the full details of and many more who suffer in silence.

      Information provided in the wrong context to a third party is dangerous. I do not believe that Government databases are secure. Not even GCHQ.

      If the Police can access any information about us without enough suitable levels of security, of which there never will be enough, then none of us will be safe.

      If vulnerable people know that someone from the Government is watching their every move for real, and not imagined, then they will be less likely to seek help. They will be less likely to trust someone. They will be less likely to survive.

      I try to keep my personal life of these forums. This is an area the crosses over and I believe is very important.

      Yes I used to work in central London. Travelling on the tube most days. I've been close to where some of the bombs were detonated on several occasions. The nature of my work at the time meant that I moved around from office to office regularly.

      Going through various security checks was also "fun" as I have a case full of tools for my work. I also had various toxic chemicals in the case too.

      The powers that our Police forces have are inadequate. They have also been cut to the bone due to a history of getting it wrong.

      Making up for these inadequacies by giving them invasive powers is not right.

      These are just my personal views.
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