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    This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

    This is a discussion on This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it within the General chat forums, part of the Community channel category; Originally Posted by I_Hate_Sky_Awnsers guessin ur not the biggest football fan then scubbie. Now what might give you that impression?...

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Quote Originally Posted by I_Hate_Sky_Awnsers View Post
      guessin ur not the biggest football fan then scubbie.
      Now what might give you that impression?

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Quote Originally Posted by Smithy99 View Post
      Many teams have been banned from certain games/leagues or had to play behind closed doors just because some of their fans caused trouble, this is a good way to ensure that people take it more seriously in the future.
      FileServe is blocked completely. So in all fairness, I think the entire sport should be banned whenever trouble happens..Why are you defending them? I want freedom on the Internet. And btw, being rerouted to another company must by default slow your connection down a bit

      This is like being at school/college where they restrict your access to the Internet, not as bad but it still feels like it.

      We have our rights too.

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      I seem to remember back in 1985 that all british teams were banned from playing in europe due to crowd trouble.

      Freedom of the internet is all very well and good but when you get people like this sending this type of filth around the world then all steps required should be taken, if that means that fileshare is taken down until they sort their own house out then so be it.

      I would even bet that you are so annoyed because it is stopping your illegal activities too

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Indeed Smithy, all English teams were banned because of the thugs who were bent on causing violence at the games, rather than enjoying the sport.

      Just for info. this story appeared on my local BBC News this evening:

      BBC News - Crawley Town fan sentenced for mocking Munich air crash

      Whilst he was found guilty and has been given a punishment, he's 19. If the football teams had spent the money on preventing violence instead of trying to outbid each other in order to get the best players, this would not have happened.

      I'm not blaming Crawley Town FC in particular. I am trying to show that all the football teams must work harder to stop the name calling & violence.

      Now how much did the Chelsea FC owner pay for all his players again?

      As for preventing Child Porn, this too must be stopped. I have some particular things that I would like to do to the culprits, but I suspect that people might want to sleep tonight.

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Quote Originally Posted by Smithy99 View Post
      I seem to remember back in 1985 that all british teams were banned from playing in europe due to crowd trouble.

      Freedom of the internet is all very well and good but when you get people like this sending this type of filth around the world then all steps required should be taken, if that means that fileshare is taken down until they sort their own house out then so be it.

      I would even bet that you are so annoyed because it is stopping your illegal activities too
      There's still racial hatred at Old Firm games.

      I can always find my Copyrighted stuff elsewhere. It's not about that. Its about freedom and fairness on the Internet.

      All filesharing by ISP's (vai email etc) should be blocked then

      Btw, you should read the IWF site, no mention of Copyright on there. So it's not about Copyright anyway
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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Read this: European Digital Rights Group Slams UK ISP Use of IWF Internet Censorship − ISPreview UK

      I agree with that. Target the people who upload the stuff!

      These sites are used for legit reasons as well

      Quote: "governments from devoting significant resources to tackling the real culprits"

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Quote Originally Posted by urismarine View Post
      FileServe is blocked completely. So in all fairness, I think the entire sport should be banned whenever trouble happens..Why are you defending them? I want freedom on the Internet. And btw, being rerouted to another company must by default slow your connection down a bit

      This is like being at school/college where they restrict your access to the Internet, not as bad but it still feels like it.

      We have our rights too.
      The purpose of the IWF blacklist is supposedly only to stop people from accidentally viewing material that the IWF consider criminally illegal. It doesn't, and is not supposed to stop the people who actually go looking for it from obtaining it. I think in some cases we would all be better off, if they were to report the offending content to the site instead, so that they can remove it.

      Your traffic is not re-routed to another company. Sky run the filtering proxies on their own network, the IWF provide the blacklist, the filtering software is apparently provided by a third party. And your traffic is only re-routed to Sky's filtering proxy if the destination IP address matches one on the blacklist. If the requested URL doesn't exactly match a blacklisted one then the filtering proxy should pass the traffic on to the destination server. However the proxied requests now have the source IP address of the proxy itself, so the server sees all traffic from the ISP as originating from a single IP address (or one of a handful if they have more than one proxy) and that causes the destination server's own anti-intrusion system to block all traffic from that IP address. I think maybe some of the issues it causes could be fixed if the filtering proxy software was changed to spoof the originator's IP address.

      Here's a website that's had trouble with IWF filters in the past:-

      I am a TalkTalk or UK internet user and I can not access my site - 9757

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      There's still racial hatred at Old Firm games.
      I think you are mixing up race and religion. The tragedy with the Old Firm is that the main trouble-makers have probably not been to a Church or Chapel for years. They are just bigoted animals, no scrub that animals don't act like they do, let's just say they are rear orifices.

      The IWF has nothing to do with copyright, it is there to help stop the dissemination of child porn and the promotion of racial and religious hatred. If you think these should be freely available anywhere on the internet, there is something wrong with your thinking. It is up to the server administrators to prevent their servers being used for such smut. Until they do, long may they be blocked. If you don't agree with this then find an ISP who agrees with you.

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Quote Originally Posted by Isitme View Post
      I think you are mixing up race and religion. The tragedy with the Old Firm is that the main trouble-makers have probably not been to a Church or Chapel for years. They are just bigoted animals, no scrub that animals don't act like they do, let's just say they are rear orifices.

      The IWF has nothing to do with copyright, it is there to help stop the dissemination of child porn and the promotion of racial and religious hatred. If you think these should be freely available anywhere on the internet, there is something wrong with your thinking. It is up to the server administrators to prevent their servers being used for such smut. Until they do, long may they be blocked. If you don't agree with this then find an ISP who agrees with you.
      Do you love football? What if something you love was banned and all because of a few Yobs? Don't tell me you honestly agree with this because I know you prolly don't. They're going about it the wrong way and that is why I don't agree with it and never will

      Catch the people who commit the offence

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      Re: This is wrong and ISP's should not be part of it

      Btw I can find tons of racial hate comments/vids on youtube and they're allowed up because youtube are strongly for 'free speech'. Why not block youtube? Nah not our popular video sharing sites It would cause an uproar, the people that are all for the IWF blocking these hosting sites are hypocrites.

      All email services should be blocked until they remove that option to send files.

      Cherry picking.

     

     
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