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      Price of Fuel

      Ok, this is a topic that affects us all. Whether you drive or not we all end up paying money towards Petrol & Diesel.

      Sure, filling up your petrol or diesel tanks will be the most obvious point of sale, but all those delivery vans and lorries also use a lot of Diesel.

      Every time we switch on a light or boil the kettle, much of the electricity we use is generated from oil fuelled power stations.

      All those plastic goods we buy, plastic bottles we use and so much more all use oil to be produced too.

      So why is it that in the 1980s petrol was priced at around 52p per litre, yet now its around 1 per litre? Perhaps we could have our prices reduced further? After all the current price of Crude Oil is actually much the same as it was in the mid-1970s.

      Why too is it that on the continent the price of Diesel is lower than the price of petrol, yet in England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland it is Petrol that is cheaper?

      Hold on, before you say that the price of crude oil is higher, look again...

      Price of Fuel-wti-crude-oil-prices.jpg
      Source: Crude Oil Price History Chart | MacroTrends

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      Re: Price of Fuel

      Um "a bunch of scamming bar stewards" or something similar would have been somewhere in the lengthy reply that I was contemplating making to the OP. I decided against replying because all my rants and everyone elses will not make the blindest bit of difference.
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      Re: Price of Fuel

      Tax, tax, tax and tax are the 4 main reasons for the increases. Did I mention tax?

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      Re: Price of Fuel

      Sure taxation is the cause, but so if profiteering.

      When you look at the price of petrol in the 70s, it was something around 50-80p per gallon. Today we are paying around 5 per gallon.

      That is a difference of around 4.20-4.50 per gallon!

      So, just how much taxation and profiteering is to be tolerated?

      According to the table linked below the current taxation is just under 69%. That would surely imply that our petrol prices shouldn't be much more than 1.36 per gallon. Putting that in Litres it would mean that we could be paying as much as 30p per litre.

      http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/...te_gallons.pdf

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      Re: Price of Fuel

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      Sure taxation is the cause, but so if profiteering.

      When you look at the price of petrol in the 70s, it was something around 50-80p per gallon. Today we are paying around 5 per gallon.

      That is a difference of around 4.20-4.50 per gallon!

      So, just how much taxation and profiteering is to be tolerated?

      According to the table linked below the current taxation is just under 69%. That would surely imply that our petrol prices shouldn't be much more than 1.36 per gallon. Putting that in Litres it would mean that we could be paying as much as 30p per litre.

      http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/...te_gallons.pdf
      The problem is though who are the ones who will become intolerant and do something, anything, about it. We sit on our backsides complaining about this and complaining about that and basically let them get away with it. There is a general election coming up but none of the parties,and I mean none, have made a case for me to go out and vote for them. The price of fuel, whilst it is important to us in an everyday way, is really a bit irrelevant. There are far more pressing questions that need to to be addressed by our political parties and I do not see any of them putting forward any answers that will make me put my shoes on and trudge down to the polling station.

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      It is true that none of the parties are able to offer anything worth voting for.

      The price of fuel might be a minor concern compared to many other things on the political scale and neither of the parties who have been in the majority have done anything about it.

      Is it irrelevant though?

      As I mentioned in the first post Diesel is cheaper on the continent than petrol. Why is it higher in this country?

      Personally I have seen the corruption first hand. I have witnessed someone telling such a deformed lie to a parliamentry commitee that no one could believe it at the time. Whilst it was challenged the person stood by their statement and it was left alone.

      From that point I have lost all faith in our so-called democratic ways but would also be against dictatorship.

      Getting back to the petrol side, well there have been a few protests already.

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      There have been a few, totally ineffectual, protests already I will agree. I religeously added my name to the many petitions organised over the years by

      FairFuelUK Campaign

      To absolutely no avail. The price of fuel hasn't come down through anything that these people have achieved. Now they are complaining that the huge slump in fuel prices has not been reflected, to any extent, in the price at the pumps. This is true but I wonder why that is. (I couldn't find an appropriate "wry smile" smiley for that comment)

      I also do NOT want a dictatorship in this country. Our sort of democracy is okay but it is wishy washy. It certainly doesn't come anywhere close to socialism in the true sense of the word but we all know that that doesn't work anyway. Has anyone noticed how Britain has been sidelined by the European States in the "negotiations" with Russia over The Ukraine? We are not seen as a relevant world presence any more. That is reflected in our home politics and our foreign policy. Heaven forbid that we ever get invaded we could not defend ourselves we do not have a relevant army, navy or air force. I am now, possibly, starting to edge on the side treason. I know that sounds alarmist but the other thing that we are in serious danger of losing in this country is the ability to enjoy "free speech." So I will shut up now. As I said in my first post I was going to give a lengthy reply to the OP but decided that all my ranting is going to do is give me a headache.
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      Re: Price of Fuel

      Its all very well comparing oil prices in the 80s with the present, but you also have to take into consideration wages. There is just no comparison between wages in the 80s to wages today. The average weekly wage in 1982 was under 140, in 2013 it was over 520. So in '82 your wage would have bought you about 269 litres, now it will buy over 500. On that basis petrol is cheaper now than 1982. Apart from that modern cars are much more fuel efficient so the fuel cost per mile is considerably lower.

      For some reason UK is the most expensive country in the world for diesel, although in US it also costs more than petrol. In Venezuela it cost less than one pence per litre.

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      Living in the area I do I know only too well how badly the forces have been hit.

      I recall in the 70s at one of the Navy Days that the pack of cards given out made up around 52 cards with all the different classes of ships, aircraft, submarines and weapons that were all being used at the time. Looking at the harbour now you'll find HMS Illustrious (Retired) tied up along one of the jettys and a very small number of other ships.

      We don't have any navy aircraft to speak of, only helicopters.

      Quote Originally Posted by pete.i View Post
      ...I know that sounds alarmist but the other thing that we are in serious danger of losing in this country is the ability to enjoy "free speech." So I will shut up now. As I said in my first post I was going to give a lengthy reply to the OP but decided that all my ranting is going to do is give me a headache.
      lol

      Sadly free speech was never really that free.

      The Americans have their own perspective of free speech. Basically they think that they can say whatever they want and not have to be worried about the consequences. Unfortunately they tend to forget that others may disagree:

      Twitter rant sees girl fired from pizza job before starting - HR Grapevine

      Of course people have the right to disagree. When it gets too personal though certain laws that came into effect over a year ago can make it a legal minefield.

      If of course you are referring to a certain discussion in another thread from a few days ago, the questions were answered as best as possible. Unfortunately further details cannot be provided. There are others involved in those same groups and they too must keep silent about the detail within those groups. However we do share things just as soon as we can.

      Some quotes on free speech:

      “Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost.”
      Neil Gaiman

      “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
      George Orwell

      “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.”
      Voltaire

      “Freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of saying stupid ****.
      [Blog post, March 12, 2012]”
      Jim C. Hines

      “My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line, and kiss my ass.”
      Christopher Hitchens

      “Free speech means the right to shout 'theatre' in a crowded fire.”
      Abbie Hoffman
      (Not the other way around!)

      “If you're not going to use your free speech to criticize your own government, then what the hell is the point of having it?”
      Michel Templet

      “Freedom is an absolute state, there is no such thing as being half-free.”
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      Nope, just for the record, I don't remember seeing that post. But you are right we have never had truly free speech but what freedom we did have is being eroded by the day.

     

     
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