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      UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      http://rt.com/news/168208-doctors-uk-smoking-ban/
      British Medical Association (BMA) doctors have voted to demand a permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after the millennium – i.e. kids who are currently 14 or under. The group’s ambitious plan is to make British society tobacco free by 2035.

      The motion was passed at a meeting on Tuesday.

      “It is not expected that this policy will instantly prevent all people from smoking, but [rather it will] de-normalise cigarette smoking,”
      said London research assistant in academic public health, Dr Tim Crocker-Buqué at the meeting. “The level of harm caused by smoking is unconscionable.”

      The decision was made at the British Medical Association's annual representatives' meeting on Tuesday. The doctors’ voting in favor means that the doctors’ union will push for the British government to introduce the ban.

      The BMA has previously been successful in its attempts to clampdown on smoking. After votes in 2002 and 2011 bans on smoking in public places and cars carrying children were introduced.

      According to Crocker-Buqué, some 100 million people died as a result of tobacco-related illness during the 20th century. He added that nine out of 10 smokers wished they had never started.

      He added that teenagers cannot make informed choices about taking up the habit.

      “Eighty per cent of smokers start as teenagers as a result of intense peer pressure,”
      he said. “Smokers who start smoking at age 15 are three times as likely to die of smoking-related cancer as someone who starts in their mid-20s.”

      BMA Northern Ireland council chair Paul Darragh – himself formerly a heavy smoker – denounced the cost of addiction:

      “As doctors, we see first-hand the devastating effects of tobacco addiction,”
      he said. He went on to talk about how even after cancer is diagnosed, some patients don’t stop.

      Sheila Hollins, chair of the BMA's board of science, said the vote was a step towards helping to prevent children from entering the cycle of taking up smoking. The group has a plan to try and ensure British society is tobacco free by 2035.

      However, some criticized the potential move, saying it could pave the way for black-market cigarette sales.

      “The potential health risks of those may be even greater than those of legal cigarettes,”
      said Aberdeen medical student Adrianna Klejnotowska. Birmingham associate specialist in ENT, Yohanna Takwoingi, said that aiming for a total ban was just ‘headline grabbing’ and ‘sensationalist’.


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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      I don't disagree with the idea in principle as smoking kills agreed! but it would never work, it would just drive it underground. After all they don't seem to be able to stop all the other illegal substances that most people seem to have relatively easy access to!
      They will be trying to ban alcohol next! Then I really would get the hump!

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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      It would mean that from 2018 the minimum age would rise by one year every year until you can no longer purchase cigarettes in this country as very few would be smoking.

      I can see some shops having issues as people travelling from say France would be asked for proof of age when they are 35 in 2036. They would be simply told that they can buy Alcohol, but not Cigarettes.

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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      I'm afraid banning won't work, you have to educate potential users to never start. However as the tobacco lobby and the industry it supports vastly outspend the non-smoking majority it seems unlikely to ever happen. Pricing at £1/cigarette might help to dissuade potential new recruits but at the same time that would also encourage smuggling and organised crime. Refusing NHS care for smoking related problems won't help when trying to stop a 10 year old having a first cigarette.

      Of all these alternatives we might as well raise as much revenue as we can and make £1/cigarette the lowest price you can sell at but at the same time make tobacco smuggling (and the encouragement of such smuggling by interested parties) a very serious offence with long jail sentences.

      However as usual I expect nothing to happen.

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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      Smuggling cigarettes and alcohol is already a big money spinner for both the amateur and professional criminals. There are also various instances of the authorities closing down factories where both are being made. I can't see them winning easily.

      In many way the tobacco companies love the warnings on the packets. Try explaining to a 40 year old that he can't sue BAT because there was a warning on all the packets he bought and he really should have listened to all those campaigns telling him to quite.

      Raising the price to £1 per cig will just land more money into organised crime. Loosing one van because Customs found the driver smuggling will not worry them. There will be that much profit that a single load will be able to pay for multiple new vans if required.

      Before you say that it will give more jobs to the cross channel ferry companies, remember that most of those are not owned by UK firms. So even those profits tend to go outside of this country.

      I wonder just how many people would object to getting 8 & 9 year olds to tour the local Hospice in order to meet many of those who smoked all their lives and swore blind that they wouldn't get lung cancer.

      Sure smoking is addictive. Sure it looks really "cool" when you smoke as a child. Sure there is a black market in selling your parent's cigarettes in the play ground, and its a great way to raise some extra pocket money. What isn't "cool", "attractive" or "hard" is watching a group of 10 or 11 year old girls standing by the level crossing barrier and sharing a cigarette whilst they wait for the train to arrive as they go home from School.

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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      I watched both my Dad and my Nan die from smoking related lung cancer and it is absolutely horrific! Seeing them cough up large quantities of blood and gasping for there last few breaths.
      It would be controversial but I think that if they filmed someone in there dying moments and showed it in schools to over 14 year olds I think it may have some impact.

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      Re: UK doctors seek permanent ban on selling cigarettes to those born after 2000

      When I posted my earlier response a thought did cross my mind that there will be many members affected by smoking in one way or the other.

      It isn't nice and it isn't something that you would wish upon others.

      Whilst a video would be something that can show a wider range of the effects of the conditions which can be caused through smoking, with the way that we see so much on the TV now, I don't think that the video would have the same impact as meeting someone in person.

      Actually seeing someone for real. Speaking with them, where possible, with all the machines beeping around them and all the whole environmental process which the TV denies us would go a long way to help convince people that it isn't a good idea.

      Add in some pictures of when the person was around their age too and it just might convince them never to start.

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