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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      Have you ticked the box as well as the 'Continue' button?

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      So if you don't want to accept cookies from this site you have to put up with a grey bar covering the lower portion of the screen every time a page loads? Seems a bit harsh.

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      Quote Originally Posted by Lucose View Post
      So if you don't want to accept cookies from this site you have to put up with a grey bar covering the lower portion of the screen every time a page loads? Seems a bit harsh.
      Its the way it works. If you don't accept cookies, the site thinks you are a new user every time you load a page, as it has no way of checking whether you have been there before. A notice like this should appear on all sites very soon.

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      How about if the user was asked if they would like to store one cookie, i.e. an opt-out cookie?

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      I can't see how that would work. A cookie is like an identity card which you produce to get access to the site and its features. If you don't have the 'identity card' you are not going to be recognised.

      I believe there is a way to restrict the number of times the notice appears for each visit, maybe NR can look into that, for the sake of those members who for some reason, do not wish to accept cookies.

      I think you should realise that this is just the start, many think this legislation is unworkable and will make the internet much more difficult and less enjoyable to use. Another straight banana rule from the EU?

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      Quote Originally Posted by Isitme View Post
      I can't see how that would work. A cookie is like an identity card which you produce to get access to the site and its features. If you don't have the 'identity card' you are not going to be recognised.
      I think it's workable. For instance I believe if you login to a website and it stores a login cookie, you have deemed to accept that cookie because you chose to log in. Same goes for adding something to a "shopping basket".

      However, if a cookie is stored by an advertising network saying that you regularly like to visit bicycle websites it would need explicit permission.

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      There are a few sides to this.

      There are sites such as SkyUser which use the Cookies to store some basic information, such as your log in ID and also some information to track anyone who happens to click on the advertising banners (which pay for the costs towards running this site).

      Unfortunately the other side of this is sites which go to the extreme of tracking what people do. Well publicised examples in the past include BT with their 'Phorm', Google (check their new privacy policy).

      Other sites, such as Amazon, which use cookies to trace who you are. From there Amazon can watch what you are reviewing on their site on various platforms that you are logged in to. This means that when I get emails from Amazon I frequently get information on the latest HomePlug deals or other things from where I have been searching for something to demonstrate an answer for a member. I could check the details on any computer which I have logged into my Amazon account, or my mobile. The result is the same.

      Sure there are some site which follow in more detail what you do. It really depends on how they do it.

      Since it is the advertising which helps to pay for sites such as this, would anyone be prepared to pay cash each time they visited, before they knew how good or bas the site is? Personally I think that this idea would kill a huge number of good sites on the Internet overnight.

      Sites such as bbc.co.uk use cookies to provide local news and weather, otherwise they all treat you as if you live in some place such as London.

      Sure cookies have a bad reputation, but their intention was intended to make our browsing habits more enjoyable. It would have been better for the EU to ban improper use of the Cookies than to bring out this system IMHO. Unfortunately this is the kind of silly things which the EU is famed for.

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      It seems to be a function of the script used:
      // Number of times to display disclosure. Enter 0 to show it forever!!!!

      0 is selected.

      Also, three persistent cookies are stored before permission is granted: __utma, __utmb and __utmz. I'm guessing the Google Analytics javascript code needs to be withheld until permission is granted.

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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      Quote Originally Posted by Lucose View Post
      So if you don't want to accept cookies from this site you have to put up with a grey bar covering the lower portion of the screen every time a page loads? Seems a bit harsh.
      We are working on a better solution, in the meantime we have put in place what was available for us to use.

      If you don't wish to accept cookies, thats fine, but then you would never be able to login and use the forums for posting etc


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      Re: EU Cookie Directive - May 2012

      Quote Originally Posted by Lucose View Post
      It seems to be a function of the script used:
      // Number of times to display disclosure. Enter 0 to show it forever!!!!

      0 is selected.

      Also, three persistent cookies are stored before permission is granted: __utma, __utmb and __utmz. I'm guessing the Google Analytics javascript code needs to be withheld until permission is granted.
      Hence why we made a point of linking to the various browser instructions on how to block cookies, and also to our privacy page.

      The ICO have actually relaxed the requirements slightly, and we will probably adopt the same system as the BBC and The Register, ie we are allowed to assume if you continue to use the site, that you accept the cookies.

      What we have at the moment is not 100% right, and we are trying to find the best solution, but also let members / guests to the site become aware. Looking at the amount of sites that have not even made any changes yet, to me suggests that we were more proactive initally.

      The reason the 0 is selected, is that if not accepted the disclaimer then yes it will show, as the website doesn't know who you are as such, as there are no cookies to say that you have visited. Once you accept the cookies from the bar thingy, you should never see it again unless you clear your cookies out.

      The whole concept of the law is just wrong etc as effectively some sites just will not work.
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