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    This is a discussion on 4K Receiver within the Sky Rumour Mill forums, part of the Sky news and announcements category; Originally Posted by cylon6 Now I have DRX890 which needs replacing as it's not getting all of the Sky upgrades ...

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Quote Originally Posted by cylon6 View Post
      Now I have DRX890 which needs replacing as it's not getting all of the Sky upgrades that later boxes are.
      Are you sure it's a DRX890 and not a DRX780 (version #4F30xx) as the 890 is still fully supported.


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      Re: 4K Reciever

      If you are looking to store 4k content then 2TB would get eaten up as quickly as HD content eats up the space on a 500GB drive. I did mention the fact that 4TB PVR drives are in mass production now with WD. This is what would be most suitable for a new Sky STB IMHO.

      This amount of storage space would quickly disappear if a single central box was used to distribute the content around the home. With this in mind 2TB is likely to be used up quite quickly.

      With the potential for using The Cloud as a means to upload anything that you record, you might not require as much local storage as you do now.

      Of course the main point to consider at this time is that we don't know when Sky will actually launch their first 4K channel. So far the talk has just been about the hardware.

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      If you are looking to store 4k content then 2TB would get eaten up as quickly as HD content
      Might want to check out HEVC (High efficiency Video coding standard) explained in the recent SES Astra white paper.
      SES - SES_White_Paper_Ultra_HD_September2015
      Not an expert in the field, and not sure how this fits in with live and on demand content, but an interesting read all the same.

      Also worth reading up on V-NOVA
      http://www.v-nova.com/en/index.htmla
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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Quote Originally Posted by seawright View Post
      Are you sure it's a DRX890 and not a DRX780 (version #4F30xx) as the 890 is still fully supported.
      Whoops! Yes it's the DRX780.

      I'm also looking at getting a 4K TV.

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      If you are looking to store 4k content then 2TB would get eaten up as quickly as HD content eats up the space on a 500GB drive. I did mention the fact that 4TB PVR drives are in mass production now with WD. This is what would be most suitable for a new Sky STB IMHO.

      This amount of storage space would quickly disappear if a single central box was used to distribute the content around the home. With this in mind 2TB is likely to be used up quite quickly.

      With the potential for using The Cloud as a means to upload anything that you record, you might not require as much local storage as you do now.

      Of course the main point to consider at this time is that we don't know when Sky will actually launch their first 4K channel. So far the talk has just been about the hardware.
      Launching with increased memory would be a headline grabber and make more sense if you're recording more channels at once. 2TB will get used up very quickly, 4TB would be better. Also as exciting as recording to the cloud is, when there is a fault you can't get to it having physical memory on the machine is vital.

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      I agree that having memory on the device is important. However if you have a central device with a large drive, just how much memory would you need on any device connected to your TV?

      You would need something that is capable if caching anything you are streaming via the Internet and perhaps the central storage device. This would help you to cope with any WiFi issues, for example. Anything else could be stored centrally.

      Of course this system would be a blow for anyone who currently takes their STB with them in a caravan. It would stop people from signing up for multiple STBs and 'renting' spare ones to friends and family though.

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Storage in the cloud is an interesting idea. A few years ago, when I was investigating PC backup via the cloud, I read that one of the cloud storage companies (I don't remember which one) said it checked new files against its database of files already stored on their servers so that it needed to store just one "physical" copy of the file, while each person who had uploaded it could see the file in their own storage directory. A similar approach would work really well for PVR recordings.

      Or to put it another way, the files live on the On Demand servers, but each user has a personal index to a selected subset of the programmes - no need for a local copy if you can play it directly from the cloud. Oh, wait a minute, you can do this already - perhaps all that's needed is a revised means of access from the EPG (plus persistence on the servers equivalent to keeping it forever on your PVR HDD).
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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Forever may be too long. The way such a scheme should work is to maintain a count of the links to a file so that when the count reduces to zero the file can be safely purged.

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      Re: 4K Reciever

      Yes, but not immediately - it would not do to delete it after a short period and then find everyone looking for it the next weekend because it was mentioned in a Sunday paper. Just how long is a moot point - viewers would obviously like forever, broadcasters have a tendency to make available for a very short period, e.g. BBC 30 days.
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      Re: 4K Reciever

      With the current Sky+ STBs when you delete something, it is marked for deletion and placed in the 'deleted' folder. You can recover later if you wish.

      If you purge the deleted folder, that's it. It's gone. You can't watch that recording again.

      Should this not also be the case for anything which is stored in a cloud server for any future Sky STB?

      Sure an item may be repeated at a later date, such as a film or TV Series, but many items are only shown the once. Examples include daily news coverage. Once these have gone, then they'll be there no more.

      If you are thinking about films, then this could be 'fun'. I'm not sure how Sky fair on this as they have the luxury of dedicated channels, but the main terrestrial channels are known to edit films before they are broadcast all the time. This might be to make a film more suitable for an early showing or to shorten it so that it can fit into a specific time slot.

      Which recording should be stored in the cloud? The full length version or one that has been edited to fit? What about if, as it so often happens, it is shown a few months later on the same channel with a different set of edits?

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