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    Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Just waiting for the DG834g V5 to arrive then we I get on with the test.
      Has your DLM training completed? If not you would be better waiting till it is. Swapping routers could disrupt it.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Quote Originally Posted by Isitme View Post
      Has your DLM training completed? If not you would be better waiting till it is. Swapping routers could disrupt it.
      Have had the line manually set at 20mb down and 1.3mb up so there are
      no caps on the line and DLM has been suspended, so the test's will reflect all routers true ability's

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      DLM has been suspended, so the test's will reflect all routers true ability's
      That's good, I look forward to the results.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Introduction
      All tests were done on the same phone line within the hours
      of 1pm-2pm so line conditions and network bandwidth should
      all of been pretty consistent, speed tests were run 5 times with highest
      speed taken for the review, wireless signal measurements were taken
      at a set location of 30ft from the routers location, and all tests were done
      on the same Vista laptop.

      Sky Netgear DG934g

      Line Stats
      Downstream Speed 18805 kbps
      Upstream Speed 1094 kbps

      Downstream Attenuation 11db
      Upstream Attenuation 2db

      Downstream SNR Margin 7db
      Upstream SNR Margin 8db

      Speeds (Wireless)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 8240Kbps Up 742Kbps
      Think Broadband 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 589KB/sec

      Speeds (Ethernet)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 13808Kbps Up 651Kbps
      ThinkBroad Band 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.58MB/sec

      Wireless Signal SNR (lower is better)
      -55db

      Conclusion
      This Router is a re-badged Netgear DG834g V3 with the Texas Instruments
      Ar7 Chipset, It performed poorly in most aspects and there isn't
      much good I can say about it other than the wireless signal was good and on par with the DG834GT, downstream adsl sync was lower then all the others
      tested and the wireless throughput was also the worst of the bunch.


      Sky Netgear DG834GT

      Line Stats
      Downstream Speed 20221 kbps
      Upstream Speed 1069 kbps

      Downstream Attenuation 9.5db
      Upstream Attenuation 6.7db

      Downstream SNR Margin 7.1db
      Upstream SNR Margin 8db

      Speeds (Wireless)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 14080Kbps Up 742Kbps
      Think BroadBand 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.60MB/sec

      Speeds (Ethernet)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 14776Kbps Up 765Kbps
      ThinkBroad Band 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.86MB/sec

      Wireless Signal SNR (lower is better)
      -55db

      Conclusion
      The Original white Sky router is based on a Broadcomm Chipset
      and is a long standing favourite in the adsl world, prices are
      still strong on these but if you get yourself a Ex sky unit and
      flash with ether Netgear or DGteam firmware you will save
      yourself some money over a stock DG834GT.


      Sky Sagem F@st 2504

      Line Stats
      Downstream Speed 20216 kbps
      Upstream Speed 1069 kbps

      Downstream Attenuation 10.5db
      Upstream Attenuation 4.7db

      Downstream SNR Margin 7.2db
      Upstream SNR Margin 8db

      Speeds (Wireless)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 14992Kbps Up 757Kbps
      Think BroadBand 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.58MB/sec

      Speeds (Ethernet)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 15680Kbps Up 712Kbps
      Think BroadBand 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.78MB/sec

      Wireless Signal SNR (lower is better)
      -59db

      Conclusion
      Also Broadcomm based like the older DG834Gt it performs very well
      and its hard to find much diffrence between this and the DG834GT other than a little lower wireless SNR but it still gave me 54mbps 30ft away, Considering you can now get these on ebay for as little 4 delivered and if you flash with Sagem 2404 firmware, it becomes a great value router for any ISP and even better if your ISP has Broadcomm Dslams, the power supply's have been know to fail on these after 12-18 months use but considering the whole pack cost you 4 who cares!


      Netgear DG834G V5

      Line Stats
      Downstream Speed 20222 kbps
      Upstream Speed 1168 kbps

      Downstream Attenuation 9.5db
      Upstream Attenuation 2db

      Downstream SNR Margin 7.25db
      Upstream SNR Margin 8db

      Speeds (Wireless)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 14992Kbps Up 757Kbps
      Think BroadBand 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.48MB/sec

      Speeds (Ethernet)
      Sky User Speed Test Down 15760Kbps Up 957Kbps
      ThinkBroad Band 100mb Test File Avg Transfer Rate 1.80MB/sec

      Wireless Signal SNR (lower is better)
      -57db

      Conclusion
      This is the latest version of the long standing DG834G it has
      a Conexant Solos chipset, it performs just slightly better than
      the broadcomm based routers with the upstream sync arround 100Kbps
      higher at 1168kbps, in terms of throughput on both wireless and ethernet
      again its on par with the broadcomm based chipsets, one thing I did notice
      is that this router seems to have higher ping time on both wireless and ethernet
      at 46ms to jolt.co.uk the other routers were doing 36ms.

      Overall
      In terms of overall value for money the Sagem is the winner here if Sky sent you this there isnt much point in changing it unless your have certain demands the Sagem doesn't meet or wireless is just out of range and you need that little extra SNR margin, If you have more to spend then you might go for the DG834GT if your on the new SVBN network or the DG834G V5 if your on the Easynet GSPN
      network but if your a gamer watch out for that 10ms unexplaind ping increase.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Couple of things I'l like to add. Firstly there maybe a bug with the Sagem router as explained here: Sagem Router and Noise Margin Bug but with those who have a stable SNR margin 24/7 then this wont be an issue. Also, to really match the Sky/Easynet GSPN chipset you need to be looking at routers with Conexant Argon chipsets but the Solos are the next best thing and are also later gen chipset which is an added bonus.

      Good comparison test nonetheless

      Is DG834G V5 an N router?

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      That was very useful

      Now all we need is for someone to repeat the tests on a long line +55dbs, for instance, just to see if the results are similar.

      If you have the time it would also be useful if you could repeat your tests at a busy time with lower noise margins. Well done so far.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Quote Originally Posted by Isitme View Post
      That was very useful

      Now all we need is for someone to repeat the tests on a long line +55dbs, for instance, just to see if the results are similar.

      If you have the time it would also be useful if you could repeat your tests at a busy time with lower noise margins. Well done so far.

      I aggree it would be great to see the test done on a longer line, there isnt much point retesting as may SNR margins never really change more than 0.5db over the day and night, maybe my fully underground line helps with that.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      there isnt much point retesting as may SNR margins never really change more than 0.5db over the day and night,
      That's a fair point, you obviously have a very good line. You also seem to have proved that the 1.3Mb upstream is pretty unattainable with Sky. They seem to be setting 8dbs as the upstream margin, which will put it out of reach of anyone not actually in the exchange.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Quote Originally Posted by Isitme View Post
      That's a fair point, you obviously have a very good line. You also seem to have proved that the 1.3Mb upstream is pretty unattainable with Sky. They seem to be setting 8dbs as the upstream margin, which will put it out of reach of anyone not actually in the exchange.
      My question would be, why do sky set the upstream SNR so high is there really any need for the SNR to be so high. I feel they are playing it too safe and should consider lowering this nearer 6db in line with o2/Be since upstream SNR does not alter much.

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      Re: Coming Soon: Best Router For Sky BB

      Before DLM and my speed increase, I was very happy with the Sagem router it provided a rock steady connection with my line and its 15dB noise margin.
      However, and increase in speed to 19meg and a reduction in noise margin to 7.5dB and it is a differant story with the router failing to return to a good noise margin after 24 hours. Replacing the Sagem with a Billion produced a rock solid connection with the increased speed.

     

     
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