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    Leaving Sky to VM

    This is a discussion on Leaving Sky to VM within the Sky Router forums, part of the Sky Broadband help category; Am gonna switch my phone and broadband to Virgin Media and keep TV with Sky. Just too sick of the ...

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      Leaving Sky to VM

      Am gonna switch my phone and broadband to Virgin Media and keep TV with Sky. Just too sick of the traffic shaping!

      Sky are sending my MAC address in the post but is there not a way to gouge it out of the router?

      I'm pretty willing to do anything to get the MAC address sooner, including hacking the firmware on the router.

      Any ideas?
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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      VM has traffic shapeing also and is worse than sky's and they are trialling even more stringent shapeing in some areas of the country

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      dont know about your first point......but you do realise that VM traffic shape???????

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      Quote Originally Posted by KineticX49 View Post
      Am gonna switch my phone and broadband to Virgin Media and keep TV with Sky. Just too sick of the traffic shaping!

      Sky are sending my MAC address in the post but is there not a way to gouge it out of the router?

      I'm pretty willing to do anything to get the MAC address sooner, including hacking the firmware on the router.

      Any ideas?
      Thanks
      Sky are sending a MAC code, not Mac address. The MAC code is not stored in your router, and there is no way to get it any quicker. You'll get it when you get it.

      But your going to regret changing. Virgin media will traffic shape the hell out of your line, and not only during peak times. You see, Virgin Media do not do LLU packages (Like Max Mid and Base) on non-fibre services, so they do the same as Sky do with the Connect package, rent the line from BT.

      Its actually BT Who are putting the traffic shaping on your line. Not Sky. Even though it is in Skys T&Cs, its because BT told them this might happen.

      Apparently BT are limiting all ISPs during peak times now, so if you go to a company that hires lines from BT, your going to be in the exact same position.

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire"

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      Quote Originally Posted by indefatigable View Post
      Its actually BT Who are putting the traffic shaping on your line. Not Sky. Even though it is in Skys T&Cs, its because BT told them this might happen.

      Apparently BT are limiting all ISPs during peak times now, so if you go to a company that hires lines from BT, your going to be in the exact same position.

      That is nonesense

      Sky may rent the equipment from BT but it's up to Sky how they implement it. The problem is that Sky's user base is using more capacity than Sky have purchased and so there are some major problems, especially at peak times.

      Sky could buy more capacity to resolve the problem but then it would start to make a loss on the Connect package. They could remove the heavy downloaders from the Connect package and free up more space for everyone else but they either do not have the facility to monitor usage or are unwilling to do this for some other reason.

      Either way, it is Sky's problem, not BT's. BT will not give away capacity to help Sky, they are one of their main competitors and why should they.

      There are many ISP's out there who do offer much better packages on the BT network but they are much more realistic in their pricing and you would be looking at around the 35 per month mark to get something that compares to the Sky Connect package for download limits etc.

      Try:

      Zen
      Plusnet (although they are owned by BT)
      IdNet

      Just for a start.

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      Greetings,

      These options:

      Consumer Broadband

      Are no where near 35 and the cheaper option beats Sky Connect package hands down. Why... No traffic shaping...
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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      Quote Originally Posted by UseLess View Post
      Greetings,

      These options:

      Consumer Broadband

      Are no where near 35 and the cheaper option beats Sky Connect package hands down. Why... No traffic shaping...
      But here is a part of the FUP, note that the peak times are from 9am - 11pm.

      THUS will continually measure the performance of our broadband network and take steps to restrict the download speeds of very heavy users during peak periods, should their activities significantly contribute towards the risk of reduced speeds being experienced by the majority of our broadband customers. The peak period is currently 9am to 11pm. The peak period may be subject to change dependent on usage patterns across the network.
      All users will be monitored on a continuous basis. Only customers that consistently download exceptionally large amounts of data over a rolling 30 day period will be affected by the THUS FUP. This is currently defined as per the limits detailed below, although THUS reserves the right to amend these


      As most ISP's charge around the 1 per Gb if you go over the limits than you can see just how quickly a package can become unprofitable, they have to buy this from BT and they don't pay much less than the 1 per Gb.

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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      Greetings,

      The key point in the FUP is this:
      Only customers that consistently download exceptionally large amounts of data over a rolling 30 day period will be affected by the THUS FUP.
      I've had no problems as I don't download all the time, although I do have my monents, but for moderate use no one will (or should) see any shaping. If your trying to store the contents of the internet locally then they will apply the policy, as a mate of mine found out recently, but even the occasional spurt of activity probably won't be noticed due to the rolling 30 days.
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      Re: Leaving Sky to VM

      suppose the key point in the FUP is the current time of 9.00am until 11.00pm, if demand increases it wouldnt be unreasonable to suggest that the time could possibily be reduced

     

     
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