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    Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

    This is a discussion on Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership within the Sky news and announcements forums, part of the SkyUser Announcements category; Andrea Zappia, Chief Executive, Sky Italia commented: “This partnership is a great example of two companies embracing innovation to open ...

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      Re: Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

      Andrea Zappia, Chief Executive, Sky Italia commented: “This partnership is a great example of two companies embracing innovation to open up new opportunities for growth. For the very first time, the millions of Italian customers unable to install a dish will be able to enjoy all the benefits of the Sky experience as part of a great value bundled offering. We feel excited about the future.”

      My first posting having only joined 5minutes ago, but felt it necessary to add to this.

      We've got Sky, HD + box and everything except sports channels (not interested), but one of the main things that we use is "On demand" to download and watch the latest films when we want to and usually in advance of them being screened on one of the movie channels.
      That is, we used to. We have a house in Greece. Big (1.5m) dish on the roof, so we can get most things but not BBC, ITV, and some of the FTA channels and, more recently, some of the package channels have gone due to the 'concentration' of the channels onto just 3 satellites and more use of UK only beams. But, with on demand, that didn't matter.....

      Enter Sky's latest software. V13 software has, to quote, "extra security" built in at the Sky server end of things. From what I've gleaned the system now works something like this.

      Box logs in with Sky.
      Box at some stage does a security check by sending an 'It's Me' message across the internet.
      Sky's servers receive the message and send out a reply on a channel which is on a UK only beam.
      Box receives message from server and replies.
      Server gets reply, marks the box as OK to allow film downloads.
      Box continues to download films as required.


      So, if you are outside of UK you can't satisfy the requirements and film downloads fail.

      The point of this message. If Sky are launching an IPTV service in Italy to allow households "without a dish" to access Sky's services, presumably they won't be doing any of these security checks as there won't be a return path from Sky to household, except via the internet which is dead easy to fool.
      So, apart from to pee off a lot of us who take our boxes with us for however many months of the year we are abroad, what or why caused Sky to suddenly bring in this additional security check? Was Sky's existing system so insecure that thousands of people, presumably not paying for the service, were able to download the latest films? Or has this got more to do with impending anti-trust court cases against Sky by the EU, asking why there are geographical restrictions imposed against consumers in what is supposed to be an unrestricted free-trade area - Europe!!


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      Re: Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

      Welcome to the forum GreekLes.

      Sadly Sky UK still has the view that any content broadcast by Sky UK should only be viewed in the UK.

      The fact that there are thousands of ex-pats who would love to watch their material and pay legitimately means nothing to them.

      Why? Well most of this will be down to the fact that the content is sold with a license to be broadcast for the UK (and Ireland) but those rights do not include the rest of Europe.

      Is this right? Ok I'm not in a legal profession, but my understanding is that the EU have said that it isn't. I believe that as Sky hasn't changed their stance, they must have to take it through the courts. Until such time that everyone opens it up, I guess that Sky and all the other providers who have moved to the narrower beams, think that they will continue to be able to broadcast just to the UK and Ireland.

      I'm not an expert, but have you considered seeing if a larger dish would be able to pick up the signals better? I was thinking something in the line of a 2.5-3m dish.

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      Re: Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

      Hi Scubbie,

      Blimey, that was quick, didn't expect anything for several days at least!!!

      Bigger dish wouldn't help - well, not unless I went 'Jodrell Bank' type size. Used to be that for BBC & ITV you needed around 4m where we are, now I reckon (doing the maths on it) I'd need nearer to 6.5m. Apart from the obvious problem (don't want any more mortgages) it's also a case of where the hell do you have something that big?

      I think I'll probably just wait and see what the EU v Sky final result is. Having followed the EU v Microsoft, EU v Intel & EU v Dell cases with great interest I'm guessing it will probably finish up as EU 1, Sky 0, and Sky a lot more financially worse off. But we'll wait and see.

      The other option, which I'll investigate more this winter in UK, is finding where exactly they are putting out the signal over the satellite. Shouldn't be too difficult as it's got to be a stream including box ID or viewing card. If I can contact anyone with the necessary gear it shouldn't take too long to find if done at 2.00a.m. and just repeated multiple times. Isolate data, send across internet, remux to right frequency and inject into LNB stream to box. Sounds easy, may cost a bit to set up, but probably less than a 6.5m dish.

      Or just ask my stepson if he'll have a slingbox connected via his 120mb Virgin connection.

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      Re: Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

      Perhaps your stepson will be the best answer. He'll also likely soon be getting a 500mb connection too, making what you are asking a little better. The only issue might be whether or no VM are still crippling people for using their connections by throttling the speeds.

      Several members here have a Slingbox and it appears to work very well.

      The dispute between Sky and the EU has been going on longer than I've been a member of this forum, so I wouldn't expect it to be resolved by Christmas. That's Christmas 2130.

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      Re: Sky opens up the Italian market with landmark new partnership

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      The dispute between Sky and the EU has been going on longer than I've been a member of this forum, so I wouldn't expect it to be resolved by Christmas. That's Christmas 2130.
      If the EU and Sky are still around by then. I know I won't be.
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