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    Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

    This is a discussion on Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband within the Sky news and announcements forums, part of the SkyUser Announcements category; I think the real problem for Sky is that over the last 3 or 4 years they've probably invested a ...

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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      I think the real problem for Sky is that over the last 3 or 4 years they've probably invested a huge amount of money in LLU and the SVBN.

      Whether or not they have seen the return on that investment, I don't know.

      But now the game has moved on - super fast broadband is turning out be the next big thing (probably a bit sooner than expected) with BT and Virgin seemingly the main players.

      I think it's going to cost Sky another load of investment to keep up with the pack and I think they do not currently have the commitment or the resources to do so (what with the current economic situation etc).
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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      Quote Originally Posted by joe pineapples View Post
      What I'd like to see Sky do if they are going to offer FTTC (which surely they will have to at some point, like it or not). Move 'everyone' that wants it onto a FTTC network. Offer a 'pay what you do now' basic package, with cost of new router and one-off installation charge, and throttle it to the 20meg everyone ought to be able to get (effectively giving them the full 'upto' 20meg they pay for now). Then do a second option of 'x' amount per month extra to unleash the full 'upto' 40meg speed, that FTTC is capable of.

      On a side not, just found out I could have FTTC right now from a company based in Sheffield (local to me), for 22.50 per month (10 more than I currently pay with sky), unlimited downloads, no throttle, one off cost of router and installation. I'd like to stick with Sky, but this is tempting.
      They cant, all fibre packages are bought from BT Wholesale and the price per month is way above the 7.50 Sky charge.

      Presumably you are talking about Origin at 22.50, if so by the time you have added a call package with someone you are are looking at the the same price as Infinity anyway and you wont have 75 installation to pay.
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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      I do not see their current investment as being a waste of money at all.

      Sky has had to invest in a backbone and equipment in the telephone exchange, which will all still be used whether you have a copper or fibre based connection.

      The only difference will be how their equipment connects to your home.

      Currently Sky has to use BTO's copper cables in order to supply an ADSL2+ broadband & telephone service.

      With FTTC Sky will also need to use the fibre connection from the exchange to the green street cabinet, put in by BTO with money which guaranteed that shared access would be available. From the cabinet it will be on the BTO copper cable once more.

      Since it can be connected at the exchange to Sky's equipment, I cannot see any reason why it cannot work in a practical sense.

      Obviously Sky needs to negotiate with BTO & BTW with regards to costs and an ability to politically have access to do what they require.

      The next set of issues, which I've mentioned previously in this thread, is pricing, allowances and traffic management. It is all very well having their current Unlimited package on their LLU equipment, but will Sky offer the same price for an FTTC or FTTP product whether or not you have their equipment, since the speeds will be comparable?

      I can't see them offering a package that doesn't have some form of traffic management on BTW's exchange equipment, what will the terms be?

      As for a fibre product where they have their own equipment, I would trust that this would not have any form of traffic management.

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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      Quote Originally Posted by Scubbie View Post
      put in by BTO with money which guaranteed that shared access would be available.
      This is the way I also read "shared access" - i.e. it was not just an open invitation for BT to start wholesaling the complete FTTC package at great profit to itself! ISTR Ofcom insisting that the price to ISPs of this shared access product had to be cost oriented ie BT would not be allowed to charge whatever they thought they could get away with!
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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      i think sky will not be in a hurry for fttc or fttp/h i reckon there just gonna wait till after bt has done all upgrades

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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      There is a massive difference between letting someone take over your god knows how old copper to take over a line and someone letting you take over your brand new multi billion pound investment, not going to happen just yet, BTO and BTW hold all the cards.
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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      yep afraid so bt is in the driving seat unless sky get there fingers out and do something

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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      Quote Originally Posted by Restorer View Post
      This is the way I also read "shared access" - i.e. it was not just an open invitation for BT to start wholesaling the complete FTTC package at great profit to itself! ISTR Ofcom insisting that the price to ISPs of this shared access product had to be cost oriented ie BT would not be allowed to charge whatever they thought they could get away with!
      BTW dont charge whatever they think they can get away with, they charge an early adopter price. Plenty of people are happy with Sky Connect and thats 29.25 a month inc line rental with a 40GB cap and sheddy uploads, how old is ADSL?
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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      My view is that Sky doesn't think that fibre will have a good uptake and so doesnt justify the cost of entering that market. To be fair when you look at the trials of BT's fibre, the uptake hasnt been that great.

      I'm very much at the forefront of technology and always want the latest equipment etc. Would I pay for fibre..... depends, my Sky Unlimited at 7.50 does me fine at the moment and i'm afraid the current economy means I'm having to watch those pennies a little bit closer.

      The country needs fibre, but i'm not sure there is an appetite at this moment in time. I think what people would prefer is LLU in all exchanges and BT upgrading their equipment to ADSL2+.

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      Re: Sky will be looking to run trials of fibre-optic broadband

      I would tend to agree with you Red, it would be great if my exchange offered fibre but tbh I dont think its coming soon purely because theres not much interest.
      Even if it did arrive I would think twice and it would have to be very well priced.


     

     

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