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    Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

    This is a discussion on Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy within the Sky news and announcements forums, part of the SkyUser Announcements category; Originally Posted by guesswho As I understand it Sky does not use static IPs. As a result each time we ...

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
      As I understand it Sky does not use static IPs.
      As a result each time we fire up the router we are allocated a new IP address.
      It could be that letters may end up going to the wrong people unless each time our IP is changed it is logged by Sky.
      I became aware of this when doing speed tests and discovering that my history on a particular site didn't match my experience! I had records of tests conducted by other folk who had previously been allocated the IP address I was using at that point.

      Perhaps I'm being too simplistic but any comments from those with better knowledge of this situation would be appreciated.
      I am sure sky log our Ip's address!


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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      My point is that as I understand it the BPI will scan IP addresses that use torrent-download type sites and pass these on to the relevant ISPs for them to send out a letter.

      Unless an ISP is given the actual date and time of useage then cross reference will be impossible.

      Will letters be sent to anyone who had that IP address around the time of the "offence"?

      I realise many people don't reboot often however as the day wears on I do reboot and could be allocated an adddress that had been used for downloading (perhas not even illegally)

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      BPI would have to supply the exact date and time a particular IP address was used to download illegal material. They would also have to prove that the material being downloaded was protected otherwise no court would uphold a demand for a users particulars. Sky and all other ISPs have a complete record of who was using a particular address at a given time. Sites like Speedtest.net, do not have this information. This is why you will often see other users results mixed up with yours. It looks at the cookie on your PC and matches this to all the results it has for a particular address.

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
      My point is that as I understand it the BPI will scan IP addresses that use torrent-download type sites and pass these on to the relevant ISPs for them to send out a letter.

      Unless an ISP is given the actual date and time of useage then cross reference will be impossible.

      Will letters be sent to anyone who had that IP address around the time of the "offence"?

      I realise many people don't reboot often however as the day wears on I do reboot and could be allocated an adddress that had been used for downloading (perhas not even illegally)
      To be honest if the BPI just scan IP addresses and see if they had visited a Torrent-Download website then thats plain stupid. It would be your local shops making note of every customer through the shop and sending out a letter to each person accusing them of stealing and warning them.

      Visiting a torrent site isnt illegal, some torrents are going to be perfectly legal like Linux Distros and the like. The only way BPI can really get ISPs to send out letters is to have solid proof that not only did you download a torrent fully but that torrent is copyrighted.

      Again there are still other programs like Kazaa and the like that dont even use websites, so these people using these programs would be safe, which just isnt true.

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      One thing that most people seem to have missed is that all 6 of these ISP's sell music in one way or another. It's all b******s if you ask me. These tactic will not stop falling music sales, the people who are prevented downloading can simply obtain the stuff from friends etc. People have always pirated casettes in the past, in a few minutes I can burn a CD containing *one thousand* music tracks. Besides I think there are freedom of speech and communication issues here. If I sell pirated DVD's by post, can I be cut off from the postal service? Please note that I don't, just raising a point. But the fact is the cat is out of the bag, it is too easy to copy music (without the internet). With an 8GB USB stick less than the price of a DVD you can see the problem. Thats 2000 tracks or say 200 Albums. The equivilent of a stack of cassettes 2 meters high or a months solid listening assuming you put in a 8 hour shift. Of course one of the main reasons music sales are falling is because the music is s***e. Witness the decline of Top of the Pops for example, is that due to illegal downloads, the answer is no. The music is just boring crap by plastic manufatured bands. I hardly buy any music because most of it is just not worth buying.

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      "The music is just boring crap by plastic manufatured bands. I hardly buy any music because most of it is just not worth buying.

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      Well, perhaps you're showing your age -- when I was dating girls ten years my junior I was always appalled by their shallow musical tastes and they were bored by my old 60's and 70's rock bands.

      However, I think the record companies are shooting themselves in the foot.

      In the 70's I would buy two or three vinyl albums a week. They were cheap at 3.50. I chose in part from what I heard on the radio and partly through hearing friends record collections (sometimes via cassette copies). Once CDs replaced vinyl and cost 8, then 12 and 15, I almost stopped buying except second-hand.

      These days there is so much choice of entertainment and people are too busy to sit down and listen seriously to music, let alone pay serious money for it. iPods provide mobile background music in those few moments people have to themselves (like when travelling) so no wonder they treat the music as frivolous and disposable -- and God knows isn't that what the industry mainly provides at the moment.

      For artists to get exposure they need to be on a medium like the iPod (which, sorry, mostly means via illegally copied material).

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      So is my SSL encrypted newsgroups safe? Or will they say they know i'm downloading illegal stuff even if they cant see what it is?

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      So I have been asked "so you think it's ok to illegally download music/movies/programs?"

      I will answer this the best way I can? As an ex Police Officer, I was taught their is only The Law, you are either breaking it, or not, there isn't different amounts of illegal, just legal and not legal (illegal).

      So lets put this into prospective shall we?

      Have you ever broken the law? Driven over 70 miles an hour on a UK Moterway? Copied a tape from a friend, recorded a video off the TV and showed it to anyone else? Did you ever have a drink under 18? Under 18 did you ever look at Porn? Have you ever played a computer game, with an age rating over yours?

      All the above would be illegal, but people do it all the time? But they are still illegal arn't they?

      So no I don't think that downloading items you don't have the (c) to download is correct, or right.

      But.......

      If I have already purchased a CD, DVD or Computer Program, then going onto a torrent site, to download a backup, I have no problems with, I already own the original, as I have paid for it and its in my collection. I don't wish to scratch my original, so I need a backup.

      I am not saying the above would stand up in Law, but until its been tested, I don't have an issue with it.

      What worries me more, is that I belive the only reason this has happened, is that Europe has told out Government to sort it out, and once again we fall in with European Laws, that we never voted for, or had a chance to say NO to.

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      Just going a little offshoot in this discussion
      I sometimes wonder, how is it possible for these torrent guys to be able to provide the albums/songs/videos as soon as it is released in the market. If it was for something which was very anticipated then its different but apparently these days you can get any stuff that is released the same day on the net sometimes even before the release in the market
      This makes we wonder, how can just some people buying this stuff might be so keen to upload it and make it available for people they don't even know.
      I have few theories explaining this, more are welcome
      1. As mentioned in a previous post, most companies see the torrents as a cheap and very effective means of advertising, especially the audience who will never purchase their stuff but will promote it and might bring more customers to purchase the stuff
      2. Could it be the rivalry of various companies trying to release each others content via their supported up-loaders in a bid to erode into the rival companies revenue generation.

      I'm pretty sure all the thinking minds in this forum will come out with lots of other possible reasons.

      On personal note, I support reasonably priced legal download of songs and videos without DRM so it could be used on any mobile device you buy or your car or lounge. I look forward to the time when this industry realises this and they come forward with a new business plan which will be beneficial to them as well as the consumer.

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      Re: Sky Sign Up With BPI To Help Stop Piracy

      Quote Originally Posted by Tango34 View Post
      What worries me more, is that I belive the only reason this has happened, is that Europe has told out Government to sort it out, and once again we fall in with European Laws, that we never voted for, or had a chance to say NO to.
      So if I vote UKIP in the next general election, they'll do away with all those evil European laws, and let me steal other people's intellectual property?

     

     
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