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    Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

    This is a discussion on Sky To Enforce Usage Caps? within the Sky news and announcements forums, part of the SkyUser Announcements category; Also when you sign up you agree to the fair usage policy so i dont see how they can inforce ...

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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      Also when you sign up you agree to the fair usage policy so i dont see how they can inforce these rules on current customers as it wasnt there to begin with. And there was nothing about limits in the t's & c's


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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      Most games dont send/receive large amounts of data, so its very unlikely that you would exceed the max limit just by gaming a lot. The limits of 2gig for base, 40 for mid and unlimited for max have been there since day 1. The unofficial limit for max is 250gig but this has neither been confirmed nor denied by sky.


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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      Personally I think they should start to enforce caps, not for minor transgressions, but certainly for the major transgressions.

      I am on mid because when I signed up I was wrongly told I wouldn't get any benefit from the max package, I am not willing to change now and commence a new 12 mth contract or I'd upgrade today.

      I don't use more than about 5 - 10 Gb a month, its the speed I am interested in when I want to backup my website I am usually in a hurry (I run a hobby forum based on digital photography) because I do it just before I go to bed.

      I pay 5 a month for my service, I'd pay 10 a month with a 250Gb cap and faster speed (up and down please) without a question if it didn't mean staring a new 12 mth contract

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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      This is going to be a funny situation for sure. The non-ISPs, like the BBC, are happily launching their P2P content out on to the Internet and not paying a penny to do so - other than for their main pipe which they need in any event. And the poor old ISPs are supposed to pick up the tab for the transmission. Now that really is unfair. And so in lieu of anything else that they can do the ISPs are going to start setting and enforcing caps or, like Virgin Media, start performing aggressive traffic shaping based on usage.

      Sky's packages, it has been said on this thread, are probably the fairest in the land right now, and have been since launch. They are very good value compared to anything else out there. The 40GB Mid and *Unlimited Max are extraordinary value when considering how much you are asked to pay (5 and 10). There is plenty of competition, but not at that price. With Sky sorting out the V1 router firmware and now upping service quality through their DLM program they are definitely upping their game, admittedly rather belatedly.

      As NewsreadeR has said, there will always be those that will vote No, you can't please all of the people all of the time. But Sky's position as reported in this thread is entirely reasonable.
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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      like Virgin Media, start performing aggressive traffic shaping based on usage.
      From what I have been told, Sky have approx 8 times the core capacity of VM. Maybe that is why VM are doing the old educational letter on illegal downloads, to stop people clogging up their network?

      I personally think that this is the real reason and absolutely nothing to do with the moral issues of illegally downloading songs etc - VM would appear to want to allow their users to be able to actually use some bandwidth imho.

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      (this is an opinion not fact) Just in case any legal eagles from VM are wondering.
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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      how can you distinguish between illegal music downloads and legal ones?

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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      You cannot, but chances are if the BPI have your IP number, its illegal, as they monitor the torrent sites and they have probably downloaded the contents of that particular torrent that you are downloading and then they will grass you up to your ISP.


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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      ahh makes sense, hopefully this means people may actually stop downloading illegally!

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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      Illelgal downloading does not bother me, yes it annoys to a degree, but it is not up to the ISP to send you a letter. It is morally wrong and I guess anyone that uses the internet has possibly or knowingly done it. What I object to in reality is the fact that you are going to be made an example of so to speak.

      VM will now send you a letter if you break the law, why is it up to them to police it? I stand by my comment, I believe VM are using this initiative to stop people downloading what they would normally download, so that their network can run at it's advertised speeds, and not because they feel it will benefit the BPI

      If I were an ISP, I would appreciate and realise that possibly some of my customers would be downloading illegal content. I would therefore add a couple of quid to the subscription, and then donate to BPI and other Authorities as a compensation payment.

      I really do not think that any normal law abiding citizen would disagree with that stance. Lets face it, piracy is rife in any walk of life, music, watches, viagra, market stalls etc

      My way, paying a couple of quid per month, helps alleviate or compensate the Artists or copyright owners, and although does not make it alright, shows that I understand how the Internet does in fact work.

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      Re: Sky To Enforce Usage Caps?

      Virgin Media, by cowtowing to the BPI are setting a very dangerous precedent for the entire ISP industry.

      The Government want ISPs to act as their "net police" and so far the industry has managed to avoid being put into that position. For years ISPs wanted to have Common Carrier status which, like BT, C&W, Hull Telecom, are not responsible for anything that transits their network. No matter what the content, porn, child abuse, terrorism, a Common Carrier cannot be held liable. But HMG have wanted ISPs to be responsible for and police content across their networks. Hardly a reasonable position to be placed in.

      Now that VM have caved in to the BPI we can expect HMG to start to turn the screws up on the entire ISP industry. Once there is statutory legislation in place to force ISPs to be liable we can expect to see disappear many of the 'net freedoms that we have been accustomed to.

      We are the most surveilled nation on this planet. What VM have done is to add to the sheer weight of that surveillance. We must now expect to see the BPI cast its net wider, and for other "agencies" to follow suit.

      If anyone doesn't think so they have only to look back at the past 11 years under this Orwellian government, if they've been an adult for that long.
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