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    Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

    This is a discussion on Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!! within the Sky news and announcements forums, part of the SkyUser Announcements category; There has to be another way James. How else would they be able to trigger off the update on an ...

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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      There has to be another way James.

      How else would they be able to trigger off the update on an exchange by exchange basis. If they are only going to do exchange A for example tonight, then you would expect all V1 routers connected to exchange A to receive that update tonight. Not up to 3 days afterwards, by which time they have then instigated exchange B and C as well.

      It must call it via a mass kick off or some other command, possibly by MAC address?


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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      I never leave my router on over night thats down to the fact the heat it generates, a poster alread said ask a fireman.
      My dad was in the fire service for many years and it was drummed in my head to unplug sockets before bed ect.
      Ive heard some right horror stories about tvs on stand by, sockets over heating ect,so with 4 kids in the house im not willing to take the chance tbh.
      So my question is if sky are only going to do this off peak times how the hell am i going to get the upgrade?
      Surley they should have just uploaded it to servers aswell so you have the option to download it ?
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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      Had firmware version 1.03.87 for a while now, no problems on the old version and certainly no probems for us on the new one, except havent been able to use 'mossywell', now i know why after reading the previous posts.
      Have spotted that a couple of times our noise has dropped well down but havent seen any lag/slowdown or been disconnected from the net.
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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
      Had firmware version 1.03.87 for a while now, no problems on the old version and certainly no probems for us on the new one, except havent been able to use 'mossywell', now i know why after reading the previous posts.
      Have spotted that a couple of times our noise has dropped well down but havent seen any lag/slowdown or been disconnected from the net.

      Why would you need mossywells if you had no problems ? i was using netgears own and did'nt have one drop out went back to skys firmware today and guess what.
      I dont see skys logic on the way its being rolled out tbh it cant be that big and uploading it for people to download would have made more sence aswell, people would have done it when they had the time.
      Alot of game updates come that way and they do it late at night, yes alot of people will stay up to download them but it all evens it self out.
      Other people just download it in there own time when they get time, its sky playing big brother with the frmware again.

      How long have you had it ? no disrect to you russ was you a beta tester? if so it dont make sence for sky to give it to a person that had no problems tbh

      PS can you tell us how big the upgrade is so we can see what strain that would put on a server
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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      I'm not guaranteeing that I've got this right, but I have investigated how the update program on the router works, and I'm 95% certain that I understand how it works.

      When the router starts up, it checks to see when it last checked for an update from the update server at dg834gt.skyfirmware.com. If there is no record of the router ever having checked for an update, or if the last check was more than 3 days ago, it will immediately do its standard check for an update, regardless of what time it is.

      The standard check involves making 3 attempts to connect to the update server, spaced at random intervals of between 1 and 10 minutes. Each attempt passes the router's MAC address and current firmware version to the server, so the server can selectively decide to allow the new firmware to be download or not, according to how Sky want the firmware update to be rolled out.

      If the standard check fails to find new firmware, it will (in effect) schedule another check in three days' time, in the early hours of the morning. It'll still do that check, even if you reboot the router in the mean time, because it stores the time and date of the last check in NVRAM.

      Now if you always switch your router off at night, on the fourth day when you switch the router on, it will see that it hasn't checked for a firmware update for more than three days, and so it will do an immediate check.

      So even the people who switch their router off at night, and indeed people who are away on holiday will eventually get the firmware update.

      Now I would guess that the staged roll-out is being done not by forcing routers to take an update on the one night (because that would be no good at all for people who switch their router off at night, and in any case, I can't see how it could be done anyway), but rather by the updated firmware being made available to customers on one or more exchanges at a time. But once it's made available to those customers, it remains available to them.

      So if on night 1, the new firmware is made available to people on exchange A, only a third of those people will actually get the update that night. On night 2, the update is made available to people on exchange B, and so on. By day 4, pretty much everyone on exchange A will have got their update, about two-thirds of the people on exchange B will have it, and about a third of those on exchange C will have it. By the time you get to day 7, pretty much everyone on exchanges A, B, C and D will have got the update, but when Mr Foobar on exchange A gets back from his fortnight-long holiday and switches on his router, he'll get an immediate update because his router will be able to see that it hasn't checked for an update for 14 days.

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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      Seems to explain alot but i think it still has the potential to bottle kneck, i guess we will see
      I'm still waiting to see if anyone else has this ive seen a couple of post thats it.
      Btw is that finger mouse on your avatar
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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      So if on night 1, the new firmware is made available to people on exchange A, only a third of those people will actually get the update that night. On night 2, the update is made available to people on exchange B, and so on. By day 4, pretty much everyone on exchange A will have got their update, about two-thirds of the people on exchange B will have it, and about a third of those on exchange C will have it. By the time you get to day 7, pretty much everyone on exchanges A, B, C and D will have got the update, but when Mr Foobar on exchange A gets back from his fortnight-long holiday and switches on his router, he'll get an immediate update because his router will be able to see that it hasn't checked for an update for 14 days.
      I don't agree with this theory. If Exchange A is initiated today, any routers that are on and connected to the DSLAMs will get the new FW initiated. Tomorrow Exchange B will re released and so on.

      Sky obviously have a mechanism built into the exchanges or the router to instigate the upgrade. Otherwise they just would have no control over who gets it and on what night.


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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      ^^or sky are allowing to update to be rolled during all hours of the day. Hence routers getting FW when they check for it?

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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      Maybe they will do it via batches of IP address its anyones guess really.
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      Re: Sky Phase 1 Firmware upgrade confirmed!!!!

      Had firmware version 1.03.87 for a while now
      Is that the definite number? Others have reported 1.02.87


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