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    Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

    This is a discussion on Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!! within the Sky Broadband help forums, part of the Sky Broadband help and support category; Thanks for the reply guys!! How do I change my line noise? Its not a recent thing its happened for ...

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Thanks for the reply guys!!

      How do I change my line noise?

      Its not a recent thing its happened for ages!


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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Quote Originally Posted by Smithy99 View Post
      No it isn't!!!!

      Sky set a default noise margin of 6.9db, anything higher is usually due to the line being capped and will limit the potential speed.
      Sorry! Don't need to yell at me!

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Quote Originally Posted by SOF006 View Post
      Your speed could go a lot faster than that but what is stopping you from gaining more speed is your noise margin because well... its too low. A recommended Noise margin is 15 or above.
      FYI the noise margin is the difference between the SNR required to support the current sync rate, and the actual SNR. Ergo a 4096K connection may require a SNR of 32dB, if your SNR is 36dB, then your router shows a 4dB Noise Margin, showing you have 4dB to spare...

      so anything over 3dB Margin or so on a line under 35dB long or 6dB Margin or so on a line over 35dB long is fine; the reason a higher margin is required on longer lines is because the SNR is liable to vary by a larger amount throughout the course of the day than the SNR on a shorter line.

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Quote Originally Posted by HDCheapskate View Post
      FYI the noise margin is the difference between the SNR required to support the current sync rate, and the actual SNR. Ergo a 4096K connection may require a SNR of 32dB, if your SNR is 36dB, then your router shows a 4dB Noise Margin, showing you have 4dB to spare...

      so anything over 3dB Margin or so on a line under 35dB long or 6dB Margin or so on a line over 35dB long is fine; the reason a higher margin is required on longer lines is because the SNR is liable to vary by a larger amount throughout the course of the day than the SNR on a shorter line.
      I see

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Indeed... It's a real pity that Sky's DLM doesn't support testing lower SNRs than 7dB for stability during training; as a lot of short lines are happy with next to no margin whatsoever.

      Hence my line is happy with:




      It's no biggie really as DMT can do it for me, but DMT only adjust the downstream margin. My upstream used to be 1403Kbps with BE on a 3dB SNR. But hey, can't complain, this is 40% cheaper (and of course, most importantly, isn't meant to be "enthusiast" broadband. I'm well happy with what I'm getting).

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      tbh, HD, you could've got O2 BB and had the same as BE* and it's cheaper
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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Quote Originally Posted by IWasNotTheEnemy View Post
      tbh, HD, you could've got O2 BB and had the same as BE* and it's cheaper
      Unfortunately in my case it wouldn't have been cheaper as after I moved to Virgin media my BT line was disconnected as opposed to stopped.

      This meant I would have had to pay 125 to BT or any other WLR provider to get it reconnected, but with Sky I got free connection (they waived the 39 fee), six months free line rental, and 150 cashback from Quidco.

      All in all, Sky including HD TV is going to cost less over the course of the year than a BT Line and O2 Premium broadband would have over the same 12 months! Hence my Username

      O2 + BT would've been 12x 11.50 + 12x 15 = 318 + 125 Connection = 443 over the course of 12 months
      Sky HD = 12 x 33, Sky Talk Rental = 6x 11 (six months free), Sky Unlimited = 12x 10, Minus 150 cashback = 432 over the course of 12 months.

      Can't complain with that!

      Absolute bargain. Couldn't be happier

      That and at the time of deciding Virgin are AIDS; BE/O2 had run out of capacity at my exchange. There's more now but I'm glad I made the choice to be with Sky.

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Fair enough!! Although I think you're expecting Sky to do whatever you want if you call up...What you have now is as good as it'll get so don't expect anything else!!

      Worst case is they start to clamp down on people with non-Sky routers - then watch the geeks fly the coop!!
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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      Quote Originally Posted by IWasNotTheEnemy View Post
      Fair enough!! Although I think you're expecting Sky to do whatever you want if you call up...What you have now is as good as it'll get so don't expect anything else!!

      Worst case is they start to clamp down on people with non-Sky routers - then watch the geeks fly the coop!!
      Don't worry; I know what sort of support Sky offer, and I don't expect a similar kind of support as I'd get from the likes of IDNet or Be Unlimited. Although, as I'm sure you'll agree, there's not really any reason to call Sky Support except for the odd time once or twice a year DLM breaks my line; which shouldn't happen given I don't seem to be suffering any disconnects even after 96 Hrs of being on a 2.0dB SNR and errors so low they barely register in DMT...

      And you're absolutely right - the geeks will fly the coop if they clamp down. It'd be a real pity as Sky would be cutting themselves out of a large segment of the market; but if they choose to target other customers, fine.

      And if I have to move my line back to BT, that is if Sky ever disconnect me, no problems. Now that the line is "Active" I'll be able to go back to BT free of charge.

      I don't see a downside anywhere tbh; very happy chappy

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      Re: Router says 3.5 Meg getting 200KBS if I'm lucky!!

      I think that the start of VOD may well see a fresh round of DLM for us all. But as you say Sky is a bargin so there is not much room to moan.

     

     
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