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    UK ISP TalkTalk Could be Close to Selling their Off-Net Customers

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      UK ISP TalkTalk Could be Close to Selling their Off-Net Customers

      UK ISP TalkTalk Could be Close to Selling their Off-Net Customers - ISPreview UK
      New information suggests that broadband and phone provider TalkTalk could be close to off-loading some or all of their off-net customers to another ISP (i.e. those based off BTís network rather than their own unbundled / LLU platform), although no deal has yet been officially signed.

      Back in the spring TalkTalk proposed that one of several ways to ďunlock further significant savingsĒ over the next couple of years would be for them to sell their less lucrative off-net subscribers (here). At present the ISPs off-net base comprises 116,000 broadband (BT IPStream) and 242,000 phone subscribers, with related customers delivering an Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) of just £20.01 (well below the £26.54 for on-net).

      In TalkTalkís mind customers on their off-net base arenít getting a good deal (most of them are on tariffs from legacy brands like Tiscali and AOL) and the ISP probably doesnít see it as being terribly cost effective to keep them. Plus their broadband adds would look a lot stronger without the churn from off-net casting a constant shadow.

      But since May 2014 there havenít been any new developments, until one of our usually reliable industry sources got in touch to say that a potential buyer had been spotted flying over the off-net base. According to the source, TalkTalkís recent move to purchase around 100K of Virgin Mediaís older ADSL subscribers might have been just the kick needed to make a final deal possible (here).

      One reason for this is because the Virgin National (Virgin.net) base can be largely converted to lower cost unbundled lines and many may also be pushed onto FTTC, which would help to mask the sudden loss if a similar amount of TalkTalkís off-net base were to suddenly be sold (TalkTalk would prefer not to dip below the 4 million subscribers mark).

      Officially TalkTalk said they didnít have anything to say and thatís unlikely to change until a deal is formally signed. In terms of a buyer, we donít have an answer for that one, although BT / PlusNet, EE, Sky Broadband or possibly even Vodafone all seem like potential candidates (note: Sky might be struggling with a similar off-net dilemma to TalkTalk). Naturally we have asked around and predictably everybody has so far dodged the question.

      According to an earlier report from STL Partners, TalkTalkís off-net subscribers are valued at less than £10m and that may also open them up to interest from medium sized ISPs like Zen Internet (although we admit this seems unlikely given Zenís premium/business focus vs TalkTalkís low-cost angle).


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      Re: UK ISP TalkTalk Could be Close to Selling their Off-Net Customers

      This is something Sky should consider. Connect does little but give the brand a bad name and drag down their overall speed rating. I don't think Connect was ever intended as a permanent solution, more a stop gap until a particular exchange was unbundled. Unfortunately the unbundling of exchanges seems to have all but stopped. I remember when a large amount of exchanges were unbundled every month, now you seldom hear of any.

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      Re: UK ISP TalkTalk Could be Close to Selling their Off-Net Customers

      There hasn't been any exchanges unbundled now for over a year. Sky have instead relied upon FTTC and have passed their traffic through a link in the smaller exchanges to their own bachaul via another method.

      Ok BTO are still rolling out FTTC across the country, but not everyone will benefit.

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