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    What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

    This is a discussion on What non-Sky router will give me the best speed. within the Asking for help forums, part of the Broadband Technical Help category; Recently there has been some interest in finding out what router is best suited to the equipment in your exchange ...

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      What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Recently there has been some interest in finding out what router is best suited to the equipment in your exchange so that you can achieve the maximum speeds your line can handle. I will try to explain how to do this below. Please bear in mind that this thread is dedicated to discussing Non-sky routers only. It is against the T&C's to use your own router with Sky but at the time of writing Sky are not prosecuting for this. If you are not too bothered about T&C's then read on otherwise this thread is probably not for you.

      Background Info
      The reason there is no straight forward answer to what router is best for use with Sky is due to the fact that Sky's broadband network consists of two kits. The kit implemented by Sky itself is Broadcom based. The kit that Sky acquired as part of the buyout of the former ISP known as Easynet is based on Globespan (a.k.a Conexant).

      The concept
      It is believed and proven that if you match your router to the kit you are connected to in the exchange then there is a scope for achieving better sync speeds.

      How do I find out what kit I am connected to?
      Actually it's quite easy to do so. Basically you need to conduct a traceroute to any website of your choice and pay attention to the 2nd hop. This will determine whether you are on Sky's ISAM (Broadcom) or whether you are on Easynet's DSLAM (Conexant). If you are on Sky's kit your 2nd hop will say 'sky.com'. If you are on Easynet's kit your 2nd hop will say 'easynet.com' or 'easynet.co.uk' or 'easynet.net'.

      For example according to my traceroute as pasted below I am connected to Easynet. Hence a router with a Conexant chipset would be most suitable for me.

      C:\Users\X>tracert bbc.co.uk

      Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.254.251]
      over a maximum of 30 hops:

      1 1 ms 3 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
      2 27 ms 27 ms 39 ms cr1.lsbec.uk.easynet.net [195.189.159.49]
      3 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms ip-87-87-179-129.easynet.co.uk [87.87.179.129]
      4 25 ms 24 ms 26 ms te0-4-0-0.er11.thlon.ov.easynet.net [89.200.131.49]
      5 25 ms 24 ms 24 ms 212.58.238.189
      6 25 ms 34 ms 25 ms 212.58.238.153
      7 24 ms 24 ms 25 ms rdirslb0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.136]
      8 25 ms 25 ms 26 ms virtual2.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.254.251]

      Trace complete.
      How do I conduct a traceroute?
      In windows you can conduct a traceroute by going to CMD and typing 'tracert bbc.co.uk' where bbc.co.uk can be replaced by any website of your choice.

      If you don't know what CMD is and how to get to it then this link should help you.

      Recommended routers
      Now that you have established what kit you are connected to it's time you get yourself a matching router. Most of the routers that I will recommend below are manufactured by Billion. These come with loads of options to mess around with such as permanently tweaking your SNR to get a bit more out of your line.

      Routers with a Broadcom chipset:
      Billion Bipac 7800N - (Gives a lower sync then a Dlink 2640S) - See post # 112
      Billion Bipac 7700N
      DGND3700

      Routers with a Conexant chipset:
      Billion Bipac 7402NX, NXL, GX, GXL, X
      Netgear DG834gv5 (no snr tinkering)

      Routers based on Broadcom chipsets are flooded in the market whereas routers with Conexant chipsets are hard to find. Most of the routers Sky sends out are based on Broadcom but they are no match for the Billion bad boys.

      The information provided in this thread is based on a lot of reading I've done in the past on various forums but if you spot an error do point it out. Please feel free to contribute to the thread with your before and after stats if you change your router with the intention of achieving a better speed sync. I will update this post to reflect any router recommendations you people may have.

      In the end I'd like to thank Scubbie for giving the idea of having such a thread.



      Last edited by Exdee; 12-10-11 at 07:10 PM.

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      Exclamation Re: [Guide] What router will give me the best speed?

      Many thanks for this Exdee.

      It is worth pointing out that the Chipset is the Sky Sagemcom 2304n router is matched to the Broadcom equipment.

      This resulted in my own connection;s download speed being raised from around 19,300 kbps with the Netgear DG934G router to just shy of 20,000 kbps.

      Scubbie's 2nd Hop:
      5ad2f1be.bb.sky.com [90.210.241.190]
      Further comparative details can be seen in the first post of this thread:

      Sagemcom F@ST 2304n Information
      Last edited by Scubbie; 09-06-11 at 10:59 PM. Reason: added details of my 2nd hop for comparison

      Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro: Connected at 80,000 kbps / 20,000 kbps
      Previous ADSL2+ Speed 19999 kbps 1153 kbps, Line Attenuation 17.5 db 6.9 db, Noise Margin 7.5 dB 8.7 dB
      Speedtest: 17.15MB/s 0.97Mb/s Ping 31 ms

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Just to back the theory with some stats.

      The Dlink 2640s (Broadcom) and the Billion Bipac 7402NX (Conexant) gave me the followings stats on my line. I am on the Easynet DSLAM.

      Billion 7402NX



      D-Link 2640s



      The difference is clear..

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      the D-Link 2640s is the best broadcom based chipset i have tried on Conexant gear as well
      the Sagem F@st 2504 syncs even lower on Conexant gear both up and down

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Billion 7404 Series is also Conexant SolosW
      Linksys Wag54g2 also Conexant SolosW

      Upnp is totally broken on the linksys though
      Also the linksys is 16meg the Billions have 32

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Hi all, a quick question about which kit I'm connected to at my exchange; is there any way to figure out from SamKnows etc which kit is installed (in my circumstances, the Isleworth exchange)? I'm not activated yet but am looking at the various Billion routers in advance.
      Many thanks.

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Some exchanges have both kits installed so it would be best to wait and find out once you are active.

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Most exchanges have both sets of equipment, the crucial thing is who your phone rental is with. If you are taking Sky phone rental, you will be put on Sky's ISAM, either immediately or eventually. If you have retained BT rental you will be on the older Easynet DSLAM. There is no way to tell from Samknows, only whether the exchange is enabled.

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      Thanks to you both, there was no active phone line when I moved in and I have had SkyTalk enabled, so it seems like I'll be put on Sky's ISAM (Broadcom), but I'll wait and see on Friday and then decide on my router approach.

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      Re: What non-Sky router will give me the best speed.

      read with interest. cant go to the expense of a Bullion so is there a cheaper wireless n router that would be recommended? i am on easynet dslam.

      tia

     

     
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